1 00:00:18,410 --> 00:00:14,170 [Music] 2 00:00:22,100 --> 00:00:18,420 this radios for demanded Atlantis in 3 00:00:24,290 --> 00:00:22,110 July 1947 the Army Air Forces has 4 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:24,300 announced that a flying type of sound 5 00:00:31,150 --> 00:00:26,450 and is now in the possession of life 6 00:00:33,979 --> 00:00:31,160 became a big change between claims I 7 00:00:38,300 --> 00:00:33,989 occasionally think how quickly our 8 00:00:40,970 --> 00:00:38,310 differences worldwide would vanish if we 9 00:00:46,889 --> 00:00:40,980 were facing an alien threat from outside 10 00:00:52,899 --> 00:00:50,079 fade to black with your host Ginny 11 00:00:59,360 --> 00:00:52,909 church on the game-changer radio network 12 00:00:59,370 --> 00:01:04,600 using your towels to get to the year No 13 00:01:10,450 --> 00:01:08,230 [Music] 14 00:01:18,490 --> 00:01:10,460 your McMahon - thank you drive with 15 00:01:34,790 --> 00:01:25,120 yeah man welcome fade to black 16 00:01:36,230 --> 00:01:34,800 the spokes radio for the masses it is 17 00:01:40,250 --> 00:01:36,240 yeah man 18 00:01:45,290 --> 00:01:40,260 today's Tuesday August 15th 226 days 19 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:45,300 into the new year just 139 days left we 20 00:01:50,390 --> 00:01:48,330 are live from a bunker somewhere in 21 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:50,400 downtown Burbank California I would like 22 00:01:55,010 --> 00:01:51,810 to welcome everybody listening all 23 00:01:57,470 --> 00:01:55,020 around the world all across the United 24 00:01:59,540 --> 00:01:57,480 States in the retailer to and throw back 25 00:02:04,880 --> 00:01:59,550 and forth up and down east and west 26 00:02:07,730 --> 00:02:04,890 north and south far and near this is 27 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:07,740 paid to 1/4 kg APR the game-changer 28 00:02:12,980 --> 00:02:10,890 Network and KCRA the planet I'm the hope 29 00:02:15,150 --> 00:02:12,990 to research what is cracking everybody 30 00:02:16,449 --> 00:02:15,160 how you do it 31 00:02:20,309 --> 00:02:16,459 [Music] 32 00:02:29,099 --> 00:02:23,670 yeah man all right you know right before 33 00:02:30,509 --> 00:02:29,109 the show every night I get to go and 34 00:02:32,039 --> 00:02:30,519 hang out on the bunker cam with 35 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:32,049 everybody for about five minutes right 36 00:02:37,979 --> 00:02:36,010 before the show and if you ever want to 37 00:02:40,789 --> 00:02:37,989 go and check that out to say you know 38 00:02:43,199 --> 00:02:40,799 get yourself a little membership package 39 00:02:47,640 --> 00:02:43,209 all you got to do get the membership 40 00:02:50,369 --> 00:02:47,650 package or one of them and get the 41 00:02:53,550 --> 00:02:50,379 bunker camping I was saying to everybody 42 00:02:59,429 --> 00:02:53,560 right before the show the world is crazy 43 00:03:02,670 --> 00:02:59,439 right now it's nuts out there and we 44 00:03:06,869 --> 00:03:02,680 have fade to black surround us and I 45 00:03:10,770 --> 00:03:06,879 need it and if I need it if I need I 46 00:03:12,750 --> 00:03:10,780 need it to escape right and tonight we 47 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:12,760 have Laird Stratton here we get to go 48 00:03:18,390 --> 00:03:15,250 and and study a little history and get 49 00:03:20,729 --> 00:03:18,400 our learn on which is what this show was 50 00:03:22,050 --> 00:03:20,739 always about right just just get our 51 00:03:26,670 --> 00:03:22,060 learn on time we're going to do that 52 00:03:28,229 --> 00:03:26,680 with Laird and and I need that I do I do 53 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:28,239 think just think about what I'm saying 54 00:03:41,069 --> 00:03:32,010 here we need to just get centered just 55 00:03:43,259 --> 00:03:41,079 kid centered just get centered home as I 56 00:03:45,089 --> 00:03:43,269 rub my crystals right here in the studio 57 00:03:47,399 --> 00:03:45,099 I'm doing it right now you can see it on 58 00:03:48,869 --> 00:03:47,409 the bunker camp tonight Laird Scranton 59 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:48,879 is here we're going to talk Dogon we're 60 00:03:53,819 --> 00:03:51,250 going to talk Incheon T gypped I want to 61 00:03:57,629 --> 00:03:53,829 talk about the gods of Egypt lost 62 00:04:01,589 --> 00:03:57,639 history the Maori of New Zealand his new 63 00:04:04,469 --> 00:04:01,599 book is due out shortly you know so 64 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:04,479 let's get on learn on tonight tomorrow 65 00:04:11,550 --> 00:04:08,650 night David Wilcock he is back David 66 00:04:15,839 --> 00:04:11,560 took a few months off he needed to take 67 00:04:18,539 --> 00:04:15,849 a life break well he did that and he is 68 00:04:21,629 --> 00:04:18,549 back only on fade to black by the way I 69 00:04:24,659 --> 00:04:21,639 want you to understand he posted over in 70 00:04:28,709 --> 00:04:24,669 divine cosmos I don't know if you have 71 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:28,719 read his latest posting very interesting 72 00:04:33,780 --> 00:04:31,570 read and it's always great when David is 73 00:04:36,780 --> 00:04:33,790 on the show so tomorrow and 74 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:36,790 it's going to be a barnburner okay we're 75 00:04:40,650 --> 00:04:39,010 going to burn this sucker down tomorrow 76 00:04:43,740 --> 00:04:40,660 night with David Wilcock so get ready 77 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:43,750 and and then Thursday I do need to 78 00:04:50,610 --> 00:04:47,410 remind everybody Thursday we're taking 79 00:04:53,190 --> 00:04:50,620 the day off we will be departing for 80 00:04:55,500 --> 00:04:53,200 Mount Shasta for the Eclipse of 81 00:04:57,840 --> 00:04:55,510 disclosure conference up in Mount Shasta 82 00:05:01,320 --> 00:04:57,850 I got a lot of thator knots going I 83 00:05:03,900 --> 00:05:01,330 cannot wait to see all of you up there 84 00:05:05,850 --> 00:05:03,910 getting getting those emails and the 85 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:05,860 text in the post form from people that 86 00:05:11,730 --> 00:05:08,890 are going and I just it's one of the 87 00:05:13,350 --> 00:05:11,740 best parts of going to conferences is to 88 00:05:15,840 --> 00:05:13,360 get to go see The Fader nods and hang 89 00:05:17,870 --> 00:05:15,850 out is because it is a big family and 90 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:17,880 we're going to be up there Thursday 91 00:05:25,140 --> 00:05:22,690 Friday Saturday Sunday and Monday is the 92 00:05:27,750 --> 00:05:25,150 Eclipse and then we head back sometime 93 00:05:30,890 --> 00:05:27,760 that afternoon and come back to Los 94 00:05:35,790 --> 00:05:30,900 Angeles okay for the show on Tuesday and 95 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:35,800 so there you go all right what was I 96 00:05:41,220 --> 00:05:39,450 going to say oh we're going to be doing 97 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:41,230 amongst other things 98 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:45,210 baring optics is going to be up there we 99 00:05:52,140 --> 00:05:48,010 have been waiting to announce our 100 00:05:55,350 --> 00:05:52,150 relationship with baring optics we were 101 00:05:59,250 --> 00:05:55,360 looking for the best night-vision 102 00:06:01,800 --> 00:05:59,260 company out there and varying optics is 103 00:06:05,510 --> 00:06:01,810 it they are the best 104 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:05,520 so those announcements are going to come 105 00:06:13,830 --> 00:06:12,130 next week as we we're running in the 106 00:06:15,780 --> 00:06:13,840 background here what I wanted what I 107 00:06:17,940 --> 00:06:15,790 want to say and what I can say are two 108 00:06:19,770 --> 00:06:17,950 different things but we over the last 109 00:06:24,210 --> 00:06:19,780 couple of months have been working with 110 00:06:27,870 --> 00:06:24,220 Baron optics to get all of the logistics 111 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:27,880 in order here okay because when we go 112 00:06:37,350 --> 00:06:31,810 and put our name fade to black 113 00:06:39,930 --> 00:06:37,360 my name on a product it has to be the 114 00:06:42,510 --> 00:06:39,940 absolute best everybody's asking me 115 00:06:45,330 --> 00:06:42,520 which which you know which well okay 116 00:06:47,490 --> 00:06:45,340 there's some really cool things coming 117 00:06:51,780 --> 00:06:47,500 right around the corner 118 00:06:54,150 --> 00:06:51,790 and Harris is going to be I'm going to 119 00:06:57,180 --> 00:06:54,160 say it now and I think it might be up at 120 00:07:01,280 --> 00:06:57,190 Mount Shasta the the Jimmy Church model 121 00:07:06,300 --> 00:07:01,290 right and I asked for very specific 122 00:07:09,830 --> 00:07:06,310 things to be done to these night-vision 123 00:07:13,550 --> 00:07:09,840 goggles it has to be you know there and 124 00:07:15,630 --> 00:07:13,560 if it's all done and pulled off I'm 125 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:15,640 telling you guys are going to be blown 126 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:19,570 away okay all right there we go okay all 127 00:07:22,890 --> 00:07:22,210 right so that's that's going on this 128 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:22,900 weekend 129 00:07:27,870 --> 00:07:25,690 night vision for four nights oh man 130 00:07:30,570 --> 00:07:27,880 we're going to lose our mind Mount 131 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:30,580 Shasta so that's the week follow us on 132 00:07:33,810 --> 00:07:32,290 Twitter I had teachers radio Facebook 133 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:33,820 YouTube everything is fade to black J 134 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:35,650 toward radio you can go right now follow 135 00:07:40,590 --> 00:07:37,330 like and subscribe over on the website 136 00:07:43,170 --> 00:07:40,600 the satin sandbox is hashtag F to be on 137 00:07:45,060 --> 00:07:43,180 Twitter very simple we don't buy comb 138 00:07:51,180 --> 00:07:45,070 over and hang out with us alright 139 00:07:55,770 --> 00:07:51,190 hashtag F to be is it beer no I don't 140 00:07:57,840 --> 00:07:55,780 think if I'm reading that correctly no 141 00:08:01,740 --> 00:07:57,850 beer would not be added to night-vision 142 00:08:04,830 --> 00:08:01,750 goggles I kind of think about that for a 143 00:08:08,820 --> 00:08:04,840 second a chilled vodka dispenser now 144 00:08:11,130 --> 00:08:08,830 that that would work oh okay fade to 145 00:08:13,350 --> 00:08:11,140 black beer fade to black vodka is right 146 00:08:18,290 --> 00:08:13,360 around the corner that I can promise all 147 00:08:21,780 --> 00:08:18,300 of you okay last night during the show 148 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:21,790 there was and thank you Phaedra knots 149 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:24,370 for just staying on the case and and 150 00:08:29,010 --> 00:08:26,290 being there last night during the show 151 00:08:33,570 --> 00:08:29,020 it was announced that the breaking news 152 00:08:37,829 --> 00:08:33,580 was that North Korea blinked right North 153 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:37,839 Korea blinked and we've never seen North 154 00:08:44,130 --> 00:08:42,250 Korea blink before but they blinked they 155 00:08:47,010 --> 00:08:44,140 blinked what was the reason for it I 156 00:08:50,070 --> 00:08:47,020 don't know but they blinked and that 157 00:08:51,150 --> 00:08:50,080 relieved a lot of tension it's just it's 158 00:08:54,060 --> 00:08:51,160 just funny though 159 00:08:57,780 --> 00:08:54,070 why would they blink did they get the 160 00:08:59,170 --> 00:08:57,790 phone call I the Kim fatty fat get the 161 00:09:04,560 --> 00:08:59,180 phone call 162 00:09:11,230 --> 00:09:04,570 I think that he did okay all right Mike 163 00:09:13,470 --> 00:09:11,240 well you know if uh don't forget don't 164 00:09:16,390 --> 00:09:13,480 forget the guy bringing 50 strains of 165 00:09:20,260 --> 00:09:16,400 ganja okay all right 166 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:20,270 yes I'm getting text coming in the 167 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:23,450 answer Rita is yes but we'll do that 168 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:24,770 during the break okay 169 00:09:28,510 --> 00:09:27,050 can't do it right now unless you want me 170 00:09:31,420 --> 00:09:28,520 to do right now do I need to do it right 171 00:09:34,770 --> 00:09:31,430 now can't wait to for the break okay 172 00:09:36,310 --> 00:09:34,780 I'll do right now REE there you go boom 173 00:09:38,230 --> 00:09:36,320 done 174 00:09:40,210 --> 00:09:38,240 see this is why I that's why it should 175 00:09:42,610 --> 00:09:40,220 wait because everybody has to listen to 176 00:09:44,500 --> 00:09:42,620 me talk and click and do things at the 177 00:09:47,940 --> 00:09:44,510 same time okay 178 00:09:51,340 --> 00:09:47,950 that's the weekend night-vision goggles 179 00:09:54,190 --> 00:09:51,350 Mike if we were going to add certain 180 00:09:56,830 --> 00:09:54,200 things to the night-vision goggles and 181 00:09:58,870 --> 00:09:56,840 it's me don't you think that that would 182 00:10:01,540 --> 00:09:58,880 be one of the things but it that's 183 00:10:05,500 --> 00:10:01,550 difficult right because that's why 184 00:10:09,670 --> 00:10:05,510 nobody else does it right right think 185 00:10:11,380 --> 00:10:09,680 about that yeah all right but Mike 186 00:10:14,680 --> 00:10:11,390 you're a pretty smart dude and we'll 187 00:10:17,230 --> 00:10:14,690 make those announcement very soon okay 188 00:10:19,030 --> 00:10:17,240 re I'm up and flying on that end just so 189 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:19,040 you know let's get the show crackin 190 00:10:26,410 --> 00:10:22,010 right now happy birthday to Ben Affleck 191 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:26,420 he is 45 years old Ben Affleck Kevin 192 00:10:34,030 --> 00:10:31,250 Smith maybe you like him don't even lie 193 00:10:36,610 --> 00:10:34,040 cuz he knows the truth Anthony Anderson 194 00:10:38,620 --> 00:10:36,620 today is 47 one of the funniest guys in 195 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:38,630 the business and I say this every time 196 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:42,290 I'm gonna do it now anybody in barber 197 00:10:50,140 --> 00:10:46,130 shop will always make the birthday list 198 00:10:55,150 --> 00:10:50,150 he was JD in barber shop on the same 199 00:10:59,800 --> 00:10:55,160 history OTD 1969 the Woodstock Festival 200 00:11:03,370 --> 00:10:59,810 opens in Bethel New York still the gold 201 00:11:04,380 --> 00:11:03,380 standard right and the gold standard of 202 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:04,390 music bus 203 00:11:12,700 --> 00:11:09,890 everybody wants to be Woodstock covered 204 00:11:16,750 --> 00:11:12,710 in mud rain happiness 205 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:16,760 no uh-huh now it was weird there was no 206 00:11:21,430 --> 00:11:19,610 incidents they were expecting 50,000 207 00:11:23,260 --> 00:11:21,440 then they raised it and they said ah 208 00:11:26,290 --> 00:11:23,270 maybe a hundred thousand maybe you know 209 00:11:27,490 --> 00:11:26,300 and the estimates were four hundred 210 00:11:29,770 --> 00:11:27,500 thousand five hundred thousand people 211 00:11:32,050 --> 00:11:29,780 showed up no facility is nowhere to go 212 00:11:35,070 --> 00:11:32,060 to the bathroom nowhere to sleep eat do 213 00:11:38,350 --> 00:11:35,080 anything but it just didn't matter 214 00:11:40,450 --> 00:11:38,360 nineteen sixty-nine right and it is 215 00:11:42,730 --> 00:11:40,460 still the gold standard of music 216 00:11:45,670 --> 00:11:42,740 festivals there is no doubt about it 217 00:11:49,150 --> 00:11:45,680 fader fact now this is a fader fact so 218 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:49,160 everybody over in England and Great 219 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:51,290 Britain right now the UK the United 220 00:11:59,920 --> 00:11:54,770 Kingdom I want to see your responses to 221 00:12:05,790 --> 00:11:59,930 this fader fact because I have vetted it 222 00:12:10,930 --> 00:12:05,800 okay alright ninety percent ninety 223 00:12:13,170 --> 00:12:10,940 percent of Britons eat pizza at least 224 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:13,180 once a week 225 00:12:20,550 --> 00:12:16,130 there you go and and I did the ultimate 226 00:12:26,770 --> 00:12:20,560 sin right there my phone is on 227 00:12:29,350 --> 00:12:26,780 I didn't mute my phone ninety percent of 228 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:29,360 Britons how is that possible you have to 229 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:32,890 ask yourself I didn't I don't think I 230 00:12:38,970 --> 00:12:36,530 don't think anybody really pizza once a 231 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:38,980 week I would do it I guess if I could 232 00:12:43,390 --> 00:12:42,530 but ninety percent of Britons it doesn't 233 00:12:46,330 --> 00:12:43,400 even make any sense 234 00:12:48,250 --> 00:12:46,340 so I didn't want I want to see light it 235 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:48,260 up in Twitter right now let me know 236 00:12:52,570 --> 00:12:49,250 alright 237 00:12:54,970 --> 00:12:52,580 tonight Laird Scranton is here Dogon 238 00:12:56,650 --> 00:12:54,980 Egypt laws history we're going to do it 239 00:12:58,600 --> 00:12:56,660 all I want to talk to gods of Egypt 240 00:13:01,600 --> 00:12:58,610 something that we don't do much here I'm 241 00:13:05,410 --> 00:13:01,610 fade to black right we talk about Egypt 242 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:05,420 all the time the gods of Egypt what was 243 00:13:11,260 --> 00:13:08,090 going out we're talking about prehistory 244 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:11,270 here we're gonna go back and that's what 245 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:15,050 we're gonna do tonight Jordan does any 246 00:13:22,870 --> 00:13:17,090 pizza for breakfast yeah but you live in 247 00:13:25,570 --> 00:13:22,880 Boulder you live in Colorado where now 248 00:13:26,389 --> 00:13:25,580 with all the weed that is smoked in that 249 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:26,399 state 250 00:13:31,009 --> 00:13:28,290 I would think if I was going to open up 251 00:13:34,549 --> 00:13:31,019 a pizza joint right now I would open it 252 00:13:38,569 --> 00:13:34,559 up in Denver Colorado but I'm pumped 253 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:38,579 I would I would seriously who was it 254 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:40,410 that I just opened the pizza joint there 255 00:13:44,590 --> 00:13:42,810 and said it was wasn't that like um 256 00:13:47,420 --> 00:13:44,600 [Music] 257 00:13:49,999 --> 00:13:47,430 wasn't that Peyton Manning listen that 258 00:13:51,439 --> 00:13:50,009 something like that to open up a string 259 00:13:53,179 --> 00:13:51,449 of pizza joints and they said they did 260 00:13:59,780 --> 00:13:53,189 it because weed was going to be 261 00:14:03,259 --> 00:13:59,790 legalized yeah all right you guys what 262 00:14:04,730 --> 00:14:03,269 is it with weed and this show because 263 00:14:08,439 --> 00:14:04,740 it's legalized now across the country 264 00:14:13,189 --> 00:14:08,449 it's just like the the subject 265 00:14:15,739 --> 00:14:13,199 look at these tweets oh man don't 266 00:14:19,249 --> 00:14:15,749 surprise me as I am a Brit but we prefer 267 00:14:22,309 --> 00:14:19,259 our curries yeah now see if somebody 268 00:14:24,489 --> 00:14:22,319 said 90% of Britons um eat Indian food 269 00:14:27,949 --> 00:14:24,499 at least once a week I'm down with that 270 00:14:31,460 --> 00:14:27,959 right I you know I will be down but 271 00:14:34,819 --> 00:14:31,470 pizza really and I don't even do that in 272 00:14:38,629 --> 00:14:34,829 Italy pizzas American right that that's 273 00:14:41,569 --> 00:14:38,639 always that's a good right there that's 274 00:14:45,110 --> 00:14:41,579 a good urban legend right that a pizza 275 00:14:46,879 --> 00:14:45,120 and spaghetti or American Invents all 276 00:14:49,429 --> 00:14:46,889 right tonight Laird Scranton tomorrow 277 00:14:50,900 --> 00:14:49,439 night David Wilcock is here Thursday 278 00:14:52,610 --> 00:14:50,910 night were taking off I want to remind 279 00:14:54,199 --> 00:14:52,620 everybody tickets and information are 280 00:14:56,989 --> 00:14:54,209 still available if you have not made 281 00:15:01,009 --> 00:14:56,999 plans for the Eclipse come and hang out 282 00:15:03,860 --> 00:15:01,019 with us up at Mount Shasta all right the 283 00:15:05,150 --> 00:15:03,870 banners are over temperature 30 of comp 284 00:15:08,299 --> 00:15:05,160 tickets and info right there 285 00:15:12,429 --> 00:15:08,309 I know I know this because we just went 286 00:15:15,139 --> 00:15:12,439 through this with some friends it's uh 287 00:15:16,669 --> 00:15:15,149 it's going to be packed let's just say 288 00:15:22,639 --> 00:15:16,679 that all right 289 00:15:24,980 --> 00:15:22,649 Guinness pizza Papa John's in the paint 290 00:15:28,249 --> 00:15:24,990 known several Papa John's in Denver is 291 00:15:31,749 --> 00:15:28,259 that true is that it's that what he did 292 00:15:34,249 --> 00:15:31,759 I I had read he did the investment 293 00:15:36,619 --> 00:15:34,259 because lead was going to be legalized 294 00:15:38,730 --> 00:15:36,629 and I'm telling you if you're gonna go 295 00:15:40,890 --> 00:15:38,740 in research 296 00:15:43,350 --> 00:15:40,900 you're going to invest I'm glad that 297 00:15:45,270 --> 00:15:43,360 somebody like Peyton actually went and 298 00:15:48,690 --> 00:15:45,280 did the research why would I want to 299 00:15:52,020 --> 00:15:48,700 open up invest in pizza joint in Denver 300 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:52,030 oh wait a minute pots going to be 301 00:15:59,460 --> 00:15:56,050 legalized there let's let's open up as 302 00:16:02,250 --> 00:15:59,470 many as we can think about that pizza 303 00:16:04,290 --> 00:16:02,260 and we'd go together Jimmy and fade to 304 00:16:07,590 --> 00:16:04,300 black we didn't pay the pot go together 305 00:16:11,250 --> 00:16:07,600 no getting around it really I thought 306 00:16:13,890 --> 00:16:11,260 everybody drank during this show right 307 00:16:16,500 --> 00:16:13,900 now are you telling me that you guys are 308 00:16:22,230 --> 00:16:16,510 smoking weed when you listen to fade to 309 00:16:25,050 --> 00:16:22,240 block is that right oh man that is funny 310 00:16:26,820 --> 00:16:25,060 you guys are too much the the United 311 00:16:31,350 --> 00:16:26,830 States Department of Justice has 312 00:16:34,380 --> 00:16:31,360 demanded that a website host hand over 313 00:16:36,890 --> 00:16:34,390 1.3 million IP addresses of people who 314 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:36,900 visited a page that organized 315 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:39,370 inauguration day protests against 316 00:16:43,700 --> 00:16:42,010 President Donald Trump and this is 317 00:16:45,860 --> 00:16:43,710 coming from the hosting company 318 00:16:47,940 --> 00:16:45,870 DreamHost 319 00:16:50,550 --> 00:16:47,950 after everything that we just went 320 00:16:53,820 --> 00:16:50,560 through in Charlottesville and and 321 00:16:58,020 --> 00:16:53,830 protests and racism and bigotry in and 322 00:17:01,500 --> 00:16:58,030 into going down this road is a dangerous 323 00:17:04,050 --> 00:17:01,510 one we really need to stop and think 324 00:17:05,970 --> 00:17:04,060 about this a search warrant was issued 325 00:17:08,910 --> 00:17:05,980 by the Superior Court of the District of 326 00:17:11,730 --> 00:17:08,920 Columbia and it requests that dreamhost 327 00:17:15,690 --> 00:17:11,740 provide all information available to 328 00:17:19,740 --> 00:17:15,700 them about this website which is disrupt 329 00:17:21,870 --> 00:17:19,750 j-20 org the page for the organized 330 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:21,880 process against Trump's inauguration 331 00:17:28,110 --> 00:17:24,730 back on January 20th the warrant dated 332 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:28,120 July 12 was made public yesterday it 333 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:31,330 would involve the host handing over 1.3 334 00:17:40,010 --> 00:17:36,690 million IP addresses 1.3 million in 335 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:40,020 addition to contact information email 336 00:17:46,580 --> 00:17:43,090 content and photos of thousands of 337 00:17:49,170 --> 00:17:46,590 people now we are getting into a zone 338 00:17:51,420 --> 00:17:49,180 here there's a zone there's a line in 339 00:17:52,169 --> 00:17:51,430 the sand there's a place where we just 340 00:17:57,539 --> 00:17:52,179 don't 341 00:17:58,889 --> 00:17:57,549 to go this is one of them the hosting 342 00:18:01,470 --> 00:17:58,899 company is attempting to fight the 343 00:18:04,769 --> 00:18:01,480 Department of Justice's highly targeted 344 00:18:07,700 --> 00:18:04,779 demand saying that its views the warrant 345 00:18:10,139 --> 00:18:07,710 as a strong example of investigatory 346 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:10,149 overreach and a clear abuse of 347 00:18:15,389 --> 00:18:12,490 government authority and it is just that 348 00:18:18,629 --> 00:18:15,399 100 percent you can't gauge the shotgun 349 00:18:21,180 --> 00:18:18,639 principle right go in let's collect all 350 00:18:23,039 --> 00:18:21,190 of the data on everybody on this website 351 00:18:26,039 --> 00:18:23,049 and let's see what we can make stick 352 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:26,049 let's see what's going on here you want 353 00:18:29,789 --> 00:18:28,210 to target one individual you want to 354 00:18:33,899 --> 00:18:29,799 figure out so if you have information on 355 00:18:36,299 --> 00:18:33,909 one individual and whatever you've got 356 00:18:38,789 --> 00:18:36,309 evidence of something what protests are 357 00:18:41,070 --> 00:18:38,799 watching to DC okay yeah maybe something 358 00:18:43,830 --> 00:18:41,080 went violent somewhere you got something 359 00:18:45,570 --> 00:18:43,840 on somebody go go to their house give 360 00:18:46,889 --> 00:18:45,580 their computer why would you need an IP 361 00:18:49,529 --> 00:18:46,899 address you want to see where he was 362 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:49,539 okay fine you want to see if he is on 363 00:18:53,519 --> 00:18:51,730 some Isis website fine you want to see 364 00:18:57,269 --> 00:18:53,529 if he's checking out child pornography 365 00:19:00,480 --> 00:18:57,279 fine but don't do not go backwards on 366 00:19:02,940 --> 00:19:00,490 this and go hey let's go to this website 367 00:19:07,259 --> 00:19:02,950 let's collect data on everybody 368 00:19:10,109 --> 00:19:07,269 all right no and and I'll give you an 369 00:19:13,049 --> 00:19:10,119 example this this website for these with 370 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:13,059 the white neo-nazi you know retards 371 00:19:17,730 --> 00:19:16,330 those guys whatever it is I'm not going 372 00:19:20,310 --> 00:19:17,740 to give them publicity by saying the 373 00:19:23,789 --> 00:19:20,320 name of the website here but what if 374 00:19:28,169 --> 00:19:23,799 what just went down in Charlottesville 375 00:19:32,580 --> 00:19:28,179 oh so let's go to bla bla bla bla bla 376 00:19:34,109 --> 00:19:32,590 calm and let's go and get I'll collect 377 00:19:35,940 --> 00:19:34,119 all of the data all of the information 378 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:35,950 let's just round everybody up let's see 379 00:19:41,509 --> 00:19:37,690 what we can make stick on everybody 380 00:19:44,700 --> 00:19:41,519 though they visit you know what no no 381 00:19:46,919 --> 00:19:44,710 it's not the way the world works we 382 00:19:50,580 --> 00:19:46,929 start going down this road in this 383 00:19:53,149 --> 00:19:50,590 country and now we are at Big Brother we 384 00:19:57,389 --> 00:19:53,159 are at the Ministry of Truth we are at 385 00:20:02,090 --> 00:19:57,399 the the corruption of power taking over 386 00:20:05,039 --> 00:20:02,100 I don't want to be some of those other 387 00:20:07,350 --> 00:20:05,049 shock-jock radio hosts out there 388 00:20:08,850 --> 00:20:07,360 I don't want to be that guy and I don't 389 00:20:13,470 --> 00:20:08,860 want to be that guy right here and right 390 00:20:16,470 --> 00:20:13,480 now I don't but when it comes to this in 391 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:16,480 the infringement of Rights because of 392 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:19,210 what I do and how I do it and the 393 00:20:25,049 --> 00:20:22,570 methodology of that in those out there 394 00:20:27,450 --> 00:20:25,059 right now that are listening to me via 395 00:20:29,909 --> 00:20:27,460 whatever Avenue that you're listening to 396 00:20:33,470 --> 00:20:29,919 me out a large majority of you are 397 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:33,480 listening to me on the Internet and I 398 00:20:38,340 --> 00:20:36,610 just like every country in the United 399 00:20:43,380 --> 00:20:38,350 States and around the world I have a 400 00:20:45,539 --> 00:20:43,390 website and I have social media and and 401 00:20:47,669 --> 00:20:45,549 I have all of the things that come into 402 00:20:50,279 --> 00:20:47,679 play with that every company in the 403 00:20:52,649 --> 00:20:50,289 world now uses YouTube everybody uses 404 00:20:55,289 --> 00:20:52,659 social media everybody's got a Twitter 405 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:55,299 account alright so I understand the 406 00:20:59,789 --> 00:20:57,250 importance of the Internet and if you 407 00:21:02,310 --> 00:20:59,799 turn around now and start to use the 408 00:21:05,549 --> 00:21:02,320 internet like this in a shotgun 409 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:05,559 principled style of things where you 410 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:07,450 shoot into the dark and a shot with a 411 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:08,890 shotgun and hopefully you're going to 412 00:21:16,169 --> 00:21:12,730 hit something somewhere right that's 413 00:21:20,870 --> 00:21:16,179 exactly it think about that for a second 414 00:21:23,669 --> 00:21:20,880 it's very very very very very important 415 00:21:25,710 --> 00:21:23,679 if you think about it the the search 416 00:21:27,570 --> 00:21:25,720 warrant not only claims to identify the 417 00:21:29,850 --> 00:21:27,580 political descendants of this current 418 00:21:32,340 --> 00:21:29,860 administration but it attempts to 419 00:21:34,529 --> 00:21:32,350 identify and understand what content of 420 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:34,539 each of these dissidents viewed on the 421 00:21:40,169 --> 00:21:37,450 website and and then once you go and you 422 00:21:44,970 --> 00:21:40,179 get those IP addresses it's going to 423 00:21:50,159 --> 00:21:44,980 reach out beyond that and and probably 424 00:21:51,990 --> 00:21:50,169 most important here with this when we 425 00:21:55,500 --> 00:21:52,000 look at what just went down in 426 00:21:58,860 --> 00:21:55,510 Charlottesville and we think about 427 00:22:02,730 --> 00:21:58,870 everything that is going on all at the 428 00:22:04,980 --> 00:22:02,740 same time every time Trump I don't I'm 429 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:04,990 not a trump supporter I'm not against 430 00:22:07,980 --> 00:22:06,250 he's the President of the United States 431 00:22:10,370 --> 00:22:07,990 and we need to find a way to support 432 00:22:15,120 --> 00:22:10,380 this guy so we get some work done but 433 00:22:17,549 --> 00:22:15,130 we're not getting anything done nothing 434 00:22:20,820 --> 00:22:17,559 is getting done here 435 00:22:23,430 --> 00:22:20,830 and if you think about the way the deep 436 00:22:25,770 --> 00:22:23,440 state or the Illuminati or anything else 437 00:22:26,820 --> 00:22:25,780 you know the powers the corruption the 438 00:22:30,919 --> 00:22:26,830 things that are running in the 439 00:22:33,870 --> 00:22:30,929 background right now it appears like a 440 00:22:36,810 --> 00:22:33,880 numerous infinite amounts of groups and 441 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:36,820 people just don't like Trump and they 442 00:22:45,770 --> 00:22:39,970 are doing everything every single day to 443 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:45,780 turn around and disrupt the the house 444 00:22:51,890 --> 00:22:48,730 right the Senate you think about this 445 00:22:54,210 --> 00:22:51,900 the Congress the judicial system 446 00:22:57,510 --> 00:22:54,220 everything the military industrial 447 00:23:00,390 --> 00:22:57,520 compound the Pentagon everybody is from 448 00:23:07,110 --> 00:23:00,400 every direction constantly just dealing 449 00:23:10,500 --> 00:23:07,120 with everything but us us what is 450 00:23:14,299 --> 00:23:10,510 getting done in Washington right now I'm 451 00:23:19,049 --> 00:23:14,309 going to let me answer nothing 452 00:23:23,399 --> 00:23:19,059 absolutely nothing we have a we have a 453 00:23:28,260 --> 00:23:23,409 president that 100% is more concerned 454 00:23:31,110 --> 00:23:28,270 with Twitter who is speaking about him 455 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:31,120 in a positive or negative way and his 456 00:23:38,580 --> 00:23:34,450 responses to that it seems to me that 457 00:23:42,510 --> 00:23:38,590 they have now figured that out so they 458 00:23:45,360 --> 00:23:42,520 are distracting constantly 100 percent 459 00:23:50,370 --> 00:23:45,370 one of every minute of every day 460 00:23:55,470 --> 00:23:50,380 distracting distracting think about this 461 00:23:58,260 --> 00:23:55,480 now let's go back to this program there 462 00:24:01,669 --> 00:23:58,270 are disruptions out there that are going 463 00:24:04,830 --> 00:24:01,679 on in our community and fade to black 464 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:04,840 there are people out there that are 465 00:24:13,529 --> 00:24:08,770 trying to take us me and those in our 466 00:24:16,500 --> 00:24:13,539 community off message off message they 467 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:16,510 want us distracted and it's work you 468 00:24:20,549 --> 00:24:18,850 know it the well it's not where it's 469 00:24:23,299 --> 00:24:20,559 working for the it's not working for me 470 00:24:26,419 --> 00:24:23,309 but it's working for others out there 471 00:24:28,649 --> 00:24:26,429 you the listener getting distracted 472 00:24:30,510 --> 00:24:28,659 right you're looking at posts you're 473 00:24:31,190 --> 00:24:30,520 looking at things you're looking at it's 474 00:24:35,539 --> 00:24:31,200 like 475 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:35,549 everything to take you off message 476 00:24:39,299 --> 00:24:37,570 everything to take you on message if 477 00:24:40,589 --> 00:24:39,309 there is a way just to get you talking 478 00:24:42,659 --> 00:24:40,599 about something else something else 479 00:24:45,690 --> 00:24:42,669 stupid let's make something up let's do 480 00:24:47,729 --> 00:24:45,700 it I'd say fake news let's post let's do 481 00:24:49,499 --> 00:24:47,739 this let's accuse this let's let's 482 00:24:53,609 --> 00:24:49,509 attack this person it's attack this 483 00:24:55,859 --> 00:24:53,619 let's do them it's like we shut up it 484 00:25:02,339 --> 00:24:55,869 has absolutely nothing to do with 485 00:25:07,709 --> 00:25:02,349 anything right and it is now a trend the 486 00:25:12,589 --> 00:25:07,719 trend is everywhere I recognize it I see 487 00:25:18,180 --> 00:25:12,599 exactly what is going on I just see it 488 00:25:21,690 --> 00:25:18,190 it's funny and when let me tell you when 489 00:25:23,849 --> 00:25:21,700 you go and look at I wish I wish anybody 490 00:25:29,299 --> 00:25:23,859 here right now could just go and look at 491 00:25:31,589 --> 00:25:29,309 my email in just one day and and look at 492 00:25:33,930 --> 00:25:31,599 most of the names I don't know right 493 00:25:36,389 --> 00:25:33,940 they just come in random but and that's 494 00:25:39,479 --> 00:25:36,399 part of letting my email address go 495 00:25:42,479 --> 00:25:39,489 publicly right I just let it go publicly 496 00:25:44,639 --> 00:25:42,489 but the sometimes coming in for just man 497 00:25:46,979 --> 00:25:44,649 this guy is seeing this this person say 498 00:25:49,019 --> 00:25:46,989 this it man you need to stop doing this 499 00:25:53,579 --> 00:25:49,029 you need to do that you need to back 500 00:25:56,609 --> 00:25:53,589 this guy stop I don't care and it's the 501 00:25:58,829 --> 00:25:56,619 exact same thing that is going on we 502 00:26:01,889 --> 00:25:58,839 have the micro and the macro right and 503 00:26:03,719 --> 00:26:01,899 so it's going on here it's going on in 504 00:26:05,969 --> 00:26:03,729 social media it's going on in our 505 00:26:08,609 --> 00:26:05,979 community it's flying everywhere it's 506 00:26:09,629 --> 00:26:08,619 all over YouTube it's all over Facebook 507 00:26:12,570 --> 00:26:09,639 and Twitter 508 00:26:15,599 --> 00:26:12,580 you know trolls and just this this 509 00:26:19,259 --> 00:26:15,609 actions it's hilarious I don't pay 510 00:26:21,599 --> 00:26:19,269 attention to it I block anybody I block 511 00:26:24,690 --> 00:26:21,609 if I don't know who you are and you open 512 00:26:26,879 --> 00:26:24,700 up your mouth I block you and then there 513 00:26:30,239 --> 00:26:26,889 are people that I know that I have 514 00:26:32,579 --> 00:26:30,249 blocked unblock them later you know put 515 00:26:38,369 --> 00:26:32,589 them in the penalty box but I block man 516 00:26:40,619 --> 00:26:38,379 I bought what my block it's going on in 517 00:26:42,450 --> 00:26:40,629 Washington it's going on with North 518 00:26:44,519 --> 00:26:42,460 Korea it's going on with Russia it's 519 00:26:45,030 --> 00:26:44,529 going down with China it's going on if 520 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:45,040 it 521 00:26:49,590 --> 00:26:46,930 try to take everybody off a message 522 00:26:53,990 --> 00:26:49,600 let's get a big distraction campaign 523 00:26:58,200 --> 00:26:54,000 going on who is working for us right now 524 00:26:59,730 --> 00:26:58,210 right when Trump took office I don't 525 00:27:02,220 --> 00:26:59,740 know if you know this when Trump took 526 00:27:03,990 --> 00:27:02,230 office the numbers are and this is 527 00:27:04,770 --> 00:27:04,000 nothing against Trump this is just a 528 00:27:06,540 --> 00:27:04,780 fact 529 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:06,550 because every president goes through 530 00:27:10,500 --> 00:27:08,410 this you have a bunch of cabinet 531 00:27:12,090 --> 00:27:10,510 positions and jobs that you need to fill 532 00:27:14,100 --> 00:27:12,100 across the United States and in 533 00:27:15,750 --> 00:27:14,110 Washington Trump took off I'm going to 534 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:15,760 pull some raw numbers out I'm just gonna 535 00:27:24,270 --> 00:27:18,730 just out of the air he had to fill 300 536 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:24,280 positions 300 okay today we are 7 months 537 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:26,890 in to his his presidency 538 00:27:40,580 --> 00:27:35,170 okay he's filled like 50 60 70 there are 539 00:27:43,050 --> 00:27:40,590 like 250 220 250 the numbers are varied 540 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:43,060 that he's got to fill these positions he 541 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:45,850 hasn't done it you know the Senate needs 542 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:47,410 to do all of these confirmations and 543 00:27:50,910 --> 00:27:49,330 there's nobody there he has an appointed 544 00:27:54,890 --> 00:27:50,920 and they don't even have people to go an 545 00:27:59,940 --> 00:27:54,900 interview he has a why he's distracted 546 00:28:03,540 --> 00:27:59,950 he's distracted how can things get done 547 00:28:06,780 --> 00:28:03,550 all of the things when it comes to that 548 00:28:10,140 --> 00:28:06,790 we have been supposedly getting taken 549 00:28:11,820 --> 00:28:10,150 care of I Katz's right or over the 550 00:28:14,820 --> 00:28:11,830 streets or infrastructure and everything 551 00:28:20,190 --> 00:28:14,830 you know where where is anything getting 552 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00:32:16,450 --> 00:32:14,200 hi this is Rob Reiner from amal and 625 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:16,460 you're listening to Jimmy George radio 626 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:21,170 calm what's up what open combat in here 627 00:32:37,980 --> 00:32:24,450 listening the Shamy church radio 628 00:32:45,039 --> 00:32:41,529 all right welcome back fade to black 629 00:32:49,750 --> 00:32:45,049 I'm your host Amy church tonight Laird 630 00:32:53,980 --> 00:32:49,760 Scranton is here tomorrow night David 631 00:32:56,529 --> 00:32:53,990 Wilcock is back with us stayed to block 632 00:33:00,370 --> 00:32:56,539 on the game changer network in KCRA the 633 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:00,380 planet Laird Scranton the voice of 634 00:33:04,539 --> 00:33:02,690 reason an independent software designer 635 00:33:07,990 --> 00:33:04,549 from Albany New York who writes about 636 00:33:10,570 --> 00:33:08,000 ancient mysteries cosmology and language 637 00:33:13,299 --> 00:33:10,580 his worth includes articles published in 638 00:33:15,639 --> 00:33:13,309 the University of Chicago's anthropology 639 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:15,649 news academic journals in Temple 640 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:17,330 University's encyclopedia of African 641 00:33:22,779 --> 00:33:19,970 religion and then the Vassar quarterly 642 00:33:24,399 --> 00:33:22,789 magazine his book the science of the 643 00:33:27,279 --> 00:33:24,409 Dogon was taught at Colgate University 644 00:33:29,950 --> 00:33:27,289 under the title hidden meanings a study 645 00:33:32,289 --> 00:33:29,960 of the founding symbols of civilization 646 00:33:34,090 --> 00:33:32,299 his books include sacred symbols of the 647 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:34,100 Dogon the science of the Dogon the 648 00:33:40,509 --> 00:33:37,730 cosmological origins of myths and symbol 649 00:33:42,399 --> 00:33:40,519 and his latest is of course the mystery 650 00:33:44,710 --> 00:33:42,409 of the skara brae which I have here 651 00:33:47,409 --> 00:33:44,720 we've discussed before on this show his 652 00:33:51,039 --> 00:33:47,419 upcoming book is called decoding Maori 653 00:33:53,230 --> 00:33:51,049 cosmology it's due out in May 2008 een 654 00:33:54,940 --> 00:33:53,240 tonight we're going to discuss the Dogon 655 00:33:57,759 --> 00:33:54,950 we're going to discuss ancient Egypt 656 00:33:59,320 --> 00:33:57,769 lost history their gods the latest 657 00:34:01,240 --> 00:33:59,330 research said he is doing around the 658 00:34:03,570 --> 00:34:01,250 world including the ancient origins of 659 00:34:06,820 --> 00:34:03,580 the Mallory New Zealand's indigenous 660 00:34:08,109 --> 00:34:06,830 culture his website is Laird tratan , I 661 00:34:10,750 --> 00:34:08,119 would like to welcome back to fade to 662 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:10,760 black and one and only Laird Scranton 663 00:34:15,190 --> 00:34:12,290 Laird good evening how are you tonight 664 00:34:17,109 --> 00:34:15,200 hey Jimmy I'm good how are you always 665 00:34:19,690 --> 00:34:17,119 good to hear your voice man the voice of 666 00:34:22,300 --> 00:34:19,700 reason intelligence all of that Thank 667 00:34:24,609 --> 00:34:22,310 You Laird how where were you when I was 668 00:34:28,389 --> 00:34:24,619 in Middle School come on yeah right 669 00:34:30,010 --> 00:34:28,399 I know I know I know I know I you know 670 00:34:32,889 --> 00:34:30,020 that's funny that you say that because 671 00:34:35,079 --> 00:34:32,899 I've heard that a couple of times this 672 00:34:35,889 --> 00:34:35,089 week from whether the actual statement 673 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:35,899 right 674 00:34:42,339 --> 00:34:39,530 we're being different you know growing 675 00:34:46,690 --> 00:34:42,349 up and and and going down another path 676 00:34:49,089 --> 00:34:46,700 was difficult for us that are in our 677 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:49,099 little circle you know a friends because 678 00:34:53,330 --> 00:34:51,090 we were just a little bit different 679 00:34:54,290 --> 00:34:53,340 I can only imagine for you you were just 680 00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:54,300 a little bit off 681 00:35:00,110 --> 00:34:56,610 growing up warranty always just a little 682 00:35:02,900 --> 00:35:00,120 bit but the sense of humor you know sort 683 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:02,910 of sort of keep things on the level keel 684 00:35:08,180 --> 00:35:05,610 if it has to be is that how you got 685 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:08,190 through it yeah pretty much no I really 686 00:35:12,110 --> 00:35:10,050 didn't have things bad I can't complain 687 00:35:15,260 --> 00:35:12,120 I had to one of the more more bland 688 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:15,270 upbringing in I went to elementary 689 00:35:19,490 --> 00:35:17,370 school in Salem Oregon which was a 690 00:35:21,110 --> 00:35:19,500 pretty white bread place at the time I 691 00:35:22,940 --> 00:35:21,120 was there and then went to high school 692 00:35:24,860 --> 00:35:22,950 in Portland OR enacted a really 693 00:35:27,140 --> 00:35:24,870 interesting time which is one of the 694 00:35:29,750 --> 00:35:27,150 more interesting places in the country 695 00:35:31,190 --> 00:35:29,760 to to go to school so I really can't 696 00:35:36,590 --> 00:35:31,200 complain about how things went for me 697 00:35:39,110 --> 00:35:36,600 and what I was ranting about a little 698 00:35:42,620 --> 00:35:39,120 bit here at the beginning of the show is 699 00:35:44,810 --> 00:35:42,630 that the distractions that we are having 700 00:35:48,770 --> 00:35:44,820 around the world right now which 701 00:35:51,860 --> 00:35:48,780 permeate through into our little 702 00:35:54,650 --> 00:35:51,870 community of alternative research and 703 00:35:56,450 --> 00:35:54,660 history and what we do here and trying 704 00:35:59,870 --> 00:35:56,460 to figure out the big conspiracy about 705 00:36:04,910 --> 00:35:59,880 what is going on with knowledge can you 706 00:36:07,970 --> 00:36:04,920 imagine if some of your previous stuff 707 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:07,980 about the Dogon or maybe John Anthony 708 00:36:16,490 --> 00:36:13,610 West and what Hindman shock did with the 709 00:36:20,720 --> 00:36:16,500 with the Sphinx so many years ago 710 00:36:23,230 --> 00:36:20,730 if some of this stuff came out today how 711 00:36:26,900 --> 00:36:23,240 you guys you guys would have always been 712 00:36:30,140 --> 00:36:26,910 attacked right but just imagine today 713 00:36:33,650 --> 00:36:30,150 the ability to attack you and other 714 00:36:36,350 --> 00:36:33,660 researchers today with with social media 715 00:36:38,390 --> 00:36:36,360 and the internet it would be vicious 716 00:36:40,460 --> 00:36:38,400 wouldn't it I mean it was always rough 717 00:36:43,730 --> 00:36:40,470 but can you imagine what it would be 718 00:36:46,700 --> 00:36:43,740 like today if you guys would break some 719 00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:46,710 of this news yeah it should get pretty 720 00:36:51,410 --> 00:36:48,930 pretty interesting I mean times have 721 00:36:53,390 --> 00:36:51,420 change in terms of civility of 722 00:36:56,390 --> 00:36:53,400 discussion and so forth 723 00:36:57,740 --> 00:36:56,400 but I feel like John West was one of the 724 00:36:59,810 --> 00:36:57,750 ground breakers he sort of made things 725 00:37:03,230 --> 00:36:59,820 easier for me a lot easier for me really 726 00:37:04,550 --> 00:37:03,240 in a lot of ways speaking of John he's 727 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:04,560 uh 728 00:37:08,450 --> 00:37:06,930 in Texas they're talking about at some 729 00:37:10,820 --> 00:37:08,460 point trying to bring him home from 730 00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:10,830 treatments for cancer so nobody really 731 00:37:15,380 --> 00:37:12,690 thought that he was going to come out of 732 00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:15,390 this in the kind of shape that that 733 00:37:21,620 --> 00:37:17,130 would be allowing him to come home again 734 00:37:26,090 --> 00:37:21,630 that looks like that might happen I you 735 00:37:30,380 --> 00:37:26,100 know he and his situation bums me out so 736 00:37:32,420 --> 00:37:30,390 much because he did just like you just 737 00:37:34,490 --> 00:37:32,430 said he's done so much for us you and I 738 00:37:38,240 --> 00:37:34,500 did the telethon together and and 739 00:37:40,250 --> 00:37:38,250 everybody knows my my take on I'm John 740 00:37:47,390 --> 00:37:40,260 jaws you know and what he means to us 741 00:37:50,330 --> 00:37:47,400 but the we did a conference every year 742 00:37:51,620 --> 00:37:50,340 together contact in the desert and this 743 00:37:54,740 --> 00:37:51,630 year he wasn't there 744 00:37:57,140 --> 00:37:54,750 you know and and it kind of bummed me 745 00:38:00,500 --> 00:37:57,150 out well it did kind of it bummed me out 746 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:00,510 so I brought the empty chair out and I 747 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:04,290 set it down next to the next to the 748 00:38:08,390 --> 00:38:06,450 conference table and you know we had 749 00:38:10,610 --> 00:38:08,400 Graham Hancock and we had befall there 750 00:38:13,730 --> 00:38:10,620 and Robert Schoch and and others on the 751 00:38:17,660 --> 00:38:13,740 panel but I said you know this this 752 00:38:21,230 --> 00:38:17,670 gentleman John Anthony West because of 753 00:38:23,810 --> 00:38:21,240 what we do today we have the courage to 754 00:38:26,990 --> 00:38:23,820 step forward and and and get business 755 00:38:31,930 --> 00:38:27,000 done he paid the price I mean can you 756 00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:31,940 imagine what if its shock went through 757 00:38:37,340 --> 00:38:34,650 because if you're going to go and and 758 00:38:39,590 --> 00:38:37,350 read eight something and try to change 759 00:38:42,830 --> 00:38:39,600 history you can pick something a little 760 00:38:45,980 --> 00:38:42,840 easier than the Sphinx rocky Cobb yes 761 00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:45,990 yeah John end and shock and Robert 762 00:38:50,390 --> 00:38:48,090 Bauval and Graham Hancock have all had 763 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:50,400 their share of attacks they've had to 764 00:38:54,650 --> 00:38:51,570 deal with and some of them pretty 765 00:38:56,060 --> 00:38:54,660 vicious I've been fortunate in that I've 766 00:38:58,730 --> 00:38:56,070 sort of been under the radar of a lot of 767 00:39:00,710 --> 00:38:58,740 that but but I've seen what happened for 768 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:00,720 them and it's not pretty a lot of times 769 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:05,850 no it is not no doubt now with with you 770 00:39:13,070 --> 00:39:08,970 well like the subjects that you pick and 771 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:13,080 your last book skara brae which was as 772 00:39:17,690 --> 00:39:15,450 you know I mean I've read it and it's an 773 00:39:19,970 --> 00:39:17,700 amazing book but 774 00:39:22,460 --> 00:39:19,980 Dogen and the way that how do you pick 775 00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:22,470 your subjects I mean where do you come 776 00:39:28,670 --> 00:39:25,410 well these subjects tend to pick me 777 00:39:31,220 --> 00:39:28,680 literally the skara brae book I was 778 00:39:33,530 --> 00:39:31,230 asked a question by a distant fan from 779 00:39:35,810 --> 00:39:33,540 Australia who I didn't even know about 780 00:39:37,310 --> 00:39:35,820 skara brae and before I had ever studied 781 00:39:38,030 --> 00:39:37,320 one word about place in northern 782 00:39:41,210 --> 00:39:38,040 Scotland 783 00:39:44,930 --> 00:39:41,220 and within six weeks I had the material 784 00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:44,940 for a book so this is what happens at 785 00:39:48,350 --> 00:39:46,650 the book before that it was about a 786 00:39:50,020 --> 00:39:48,360 three-month process and again it came 787 00:39:53,650 --> 00:39:50,030 out of sort of a very coincidental 788 00:39:56,300 --> 00:39:53,660 situation I had been been researching 789 00:39:58,160 --> 00:39:56,310 half-a-dozen topics for other people 790 00:40:02,000 --> 00:39:58,170 about language and one day they all came 791 00:40:03,890 --> 00:40:02,010 together with answers that were found on 792 00:40:06,020 --> 00:40:03,900 the same in the same column of the same 793 00:40:08,330 --> 00:40:06,030 page of the hieroglyphic dictionary and 794 00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:08,340 the seventh word in that column opened 795 00:40:13,970 --> 00:40:10,890 up the material for the book point of 796 00:40:15,860 --> 00:40:13,980 origin so the the topics really end up 797 00:40:18,950 --> 00:40:15,870 sort of picking me sort of like ones 798 00:40:23,330 --> 00:40:18,960 picking the wizard I guess right right 799 00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:23,340 right and the dogon which we're going to 800 00:40:29,150 --> 00:40:25,290 spend some time there tonight it's such 801 00:40:32,780 --> 00:40:29,160 a fascinating subject the Dogon when you 802 00:40:35,180 --> 00:40:32,790 started to uncover more and more there 803 00:40:38,630 --> 00:40:35,190 was a lot of blowback on that subject 804 00:40:42,550 --> 00:40:38,640 too as well and a lot of debunking went 805 00:40:46,610 --> 00:40:42,560 into a lot of energies went out there to 806 00:40:50,060 --> 00:40:46,620 deflate the story and to to debunk a 807 00:40:53,180 --> 00:40:50,070 story quite frankly and you had to get 808 00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:53,190 through that too as well and let's talk 809 00:40:57,980 --> 00:40:54,930 about that a little bit how did you deal 810 00:41:01,160 --> 00:40:57,990 with that and were those debunkers just 811 00:41:01,730 --> 00:41:01,170 plain wrong well that's an interesting 812 00:41:04,220 --> 00:41:01,740 question 813 00:41:05,390 --> 00:41:04,230 the the guests who upcoming guests 814 00:41:07,340 --> 00:41:05,400 you're talking about David Wilcock 815 00:41:09,260 --> 00:41:07,350 actually interviewed me at one point and 816 00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:09,270 he had done his homework he went out and 817 00:41:18,260 --> 00:41:16,370 he found all of those key debunking 818 00:41:19,700 --> 00:41:18,270 processes you know all the arguments 819 00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:19,710 were made against the work that I had 820 00:41:23,750 --> 00:41:21,690 that he had had carefully researched 821 00:41:26,690 --> 00:41:23,760 what they were and wasn't going to let 822 00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:26,700 me shirk answering the questions 823 00:41:32,150 --> 00:41:30,690 my fortunate position is 824 00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:32,160 that the material I'm working with 825 00:41:37,970 --> 00:41:34,650 brings always bring things down to a why 826 00:41:41,740 --> 00:41:37,980 and so in the end I've been able to 827 00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:41,750 answer the questions it also helps that 828 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:43,650 some of the people who are making the 829 00:41:49,730 --> 00:41:46,530 accusations or the complaints the 830 00:41:51,410 --> 00:41:49,740 critiques don't always haven't always 831 00:41:53,300 --> 00:41:51,420 done their homework they don't always 832 00:41:55,609 --> 00:41:53,310 know the subject matter very well so 833 00:41:59,059 --> 00:41:55,619 like Carl Sagan was the person who said 834 00:42:01,130 --> 00:41:59,069 that the Dogon knowledge of they have 835 00:42:02,569 --> 00:42:01,140 knowledge of stars of Sirius 836 00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:02,579 astronomical knowledge that they 837 00:42:06,970 --> 00:42:04,890 shouldn't have and Carl Sagan said was 838 00:42:09,290 --> 00:42:06,980 clear to him that the device had just 839 00:42:11,420 --> 00:42:09,300 met up with you know come in contact 840 00:42:12,890 --> 00:42:11,430 with some modern scientists who gave it 841 00:42:16,430 --> 00:42:12,900 gave them the information and they 842 00:42:18,349 --> 00:42:16,440 reported it in their myth but he hadn't 843 00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:18,359 gone so far as to research the fact that 844 00:42:22,309 --> 00:42:20,010 the Dogon material is given using 845 00:42:23,780 --> 00:42:22,319 ancient Egyptian words and if you go 846 00:42:25,900 --> 00:42:23,790 farther back if you go to the Egyptian 847 00:42:28,970 --> 00:42:25,910 myths you can see the same information 848 00:42:30,430 --> 00:42:28,980 reflected the Egyptian myth so that kind 849 00:42:36,050 --> 00:42:30,440 of thing is pretty using the knock down 850 00:42:41,690 --> 00:42:36,060 right right um your yeah your audio is a 851 00:42:44,839 --> 00:42:41,700 very very thin so oh there you go that 852 00:42:48,250 --> 00:42:44,849 do it better ah there now I can 853 00:42:50,780 --> 00:42:48,260 concentrate okay sorry about that yes 854 00:42:55,190 --> 00:42:50,790 okay all right you know what wants that 855 00:42:58,480 --> 00:42:55,200 audio anyway ah now I can concentrate 856 00:43:05,329 --> 00:42:58,490 yeah it was very very very thin okay 857 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:05,339 let's move on what about when we the the 858 00:43:09,589 --> 00:43:08,010 knowledge of the stars let's let's talk 859 00:43:14,059 --> 00:43:09,599 about this for a second the knowledge of 860 00:43:16,910 --> 00:43:14,069 the stars the the Dogon seemed to not 861 00:43:20,420 --> 00:43:16,920 only have extreme knowledge but 862 00:43:23,839 --> 00:43:20,430 knowledge that we didn't find out for 863 00:43:26,720 --> 00:43:23,849 centuries and centuries later and even 864 00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:26,730 in a modern sense like in the 1900s in 865 00:43:31,849 --> 00:43:28,770 the 20th century we didn't find out and 866 00:43:33,530 --> 00:43:31,859 confirm a lot of this stuff today but 867 00:43:38,359 --> 00:43:33,540 they had this knowledge not only them 868 00:43:39,950 --> 00:43:38,369 but other his historical civilizations 869 00:43:41,710 --> 00:43:39,960 out there also possess this knowledge 870 00:43:44,390 --> 00:43:41,720 before telescopes 871 00:43:47,599 --> 00:43:44,400 how did this happen and 872 00:43:51,620 --> 00:43:47,609 and is it is it actually legit or are we 873 00:43:55,099 --> 00:43:51,630 reading history is wrong well from my 874 00:43:57,380 --> 00:43:55,109 point of view it's definitely legit you 875 00:44:00,319 --> 00:43:57,390 can set the dogon information side by 876 00:44:02,630 --> 00:44:00,329 side with science descriptions of matter 877 00:44:04,910 --> 00:44:02,640 from where it's waved like form all the 878 00:44:06,890 --> 00:44:04,920 way up to the atom their descriptions 879 00:44:08,870 --> 00:44:06,900 they're drawing side by side with modern 880 00:44:11,599 --> 00:44:08,880 descriptions and diagrams and it's all 881 00:44:13,220 --> 00:44:11,609 the right stuff but beyond that the 882 00:44:15,019 --> 00:44:13,230 dough can actually talk about things 883 00:44:18,019 --> 00:44:15,029 that modern scientists don't talk about 884 00:44:19,599 --> 00:44:18,029 I'll have an upcoming book that that 885 00:44:22,700 --> 00:44:19,609 deals with those subjects very 886 00:44:25,700 --> 00:44:22,710 primordial discussions of why do we 887 00:44:29,569 --> 00:44:25,710 experience time the way we experience it 888 00:44:31,609 --> 00:44:29,579 and what is the real relationship 889 00:44:34,430 --> 00:44:31,619 between the non material things and 890 00:44:35,990 --> 00:44:34,440 material things all sorts of really 891 00:44:39,620 --> 00:44:36,000 interesting questions the dogon deal 892 00:44:43,339 --> 00:44:39,630 with that the modern scientists don't 893 00:44:44,690 --> 00:44:43,349 try to touch on you know the Greek 894 00:44:48,799 --> 00:44:44,700 philosophers all thought that there was 895 00:44:51,470 --> 00:44:48,809 a primordial either that everything was 896 00:44:54,010 --> 00:44:51,480 emerged out of and modern scientists 897 00:44:57,289 --> 00:44:54,020 have sort of ignored that Einstein said 898 00:44:58,880 --> 00:44:57,299 felt that that there was a requirement 899 00:45:00,589 --> 00:44:58,890 for one and some of his work but he 900 00:45:02,359 --> 00:45:00,599 never really pushed that aspect of it 901 00:45:04,339 --> 00:45:02,369 but the Dogon talked about the concept 902 00:45:06,250 --> 00:45:04,349 of an ether and how that works there all 903 00:45:10,089 --> 00:45:06,260 sorts of really interesting questions 904 00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:10,099 but that the way the Dogon know it 905 00:45:14,930 --> 00:45:12,930 according to them is that someone who 906 00:45:16,609 --> 00:45:14,940 thoroughly understand the subject matter 907 00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:16,619 understood the subject matter taught it 908 00:45:22,579 --> 00:45:19,890 to them Ryan the interest interesting 909 00:45:24,230 --> 00:45:22,589 part of that is that when they give the 910 00:45:26,269 --> 00:45:24,240 knowledge they don't give it as a theory 911 00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:26,279 you know what you talk about or you read 912 00:45:30,769 --> 00:45:29,130 Stephen Hawking you know he's telling 913 00:45:32,809 --> 00:45:30,779 you what the latest theory is and what 914 00:45:33,589 --> 00:45:32,819 the prevailing point of view is I'm a 915 00:45:35,420 --> 00:45:33,599 subject matter 916 00:45:37,819 --> 00:45:35,430 the Dogon aren't doing that they're 917 00:45:39,620 --> 00:45:37,829 saying here's how it works and we know 918 00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:39,630 this because some of the one who stood a 919 00:45:43,910 --> 00:45:42,450 told us you go to Buddhism and they 920 00:45:45,430 --> 00:45:43,920 effectively say the same thing that 921 00:45:47,690 --> 00:45:45,440 someone who understood this stuff 922 00:45:49,430 --> 00:45:47,700 someone in ancient times who had a clear 923 00:45:54,349 --> 00:45:49,440 understanding of how it worked taught 924 00:45:57,289 --> 00:45:54,359 them what and when we look at the excuse 925 00:45:58,030 --> 00:45:57,299 me I have something in my throat that's 926 00:46:02,800 --> 00:45:58,040 why I'm going to take 927 00:46:06,550 --> 00:46:02,810 shot a coffee mmm live on the air very 928 00:46:08,260 --> 00:46:06,560 professional the the representations 929 00:46:11,140 --> 00:46:08,270 that we look at not only that the Dogon 930 00:46:14,740 --> 00:46:11,150 had but we can go with the Greeks we can 931 00:46:17,860 --> 00:46:14,750 go with the Egyptians the Mayans and 932 00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:17,870 difficult where they're talking about 933 00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:20,810 the amounts of planets out there our 934 00:46:27,460 --> 00:46:24,770 solar system the Sun and even even we 935 00:46:30,250 --> 00:46:27,470 can look at so DIAC representations too 936 00:46:33,130 --> 00:46:30,260 as well very frightening amount of 937 00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:33,140 astronomical astrological and 938 00:46:38,650 --> 00:46:36,170 astronomical knowledge that couldn't 939 00:46:42,070 --> 00:46:38,660 have been achieved without a telescope 940 00:46:47,230 --> 00:46:42,080 so are we looking at their graphical and 941 00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:47,240 symbolism information correctly yes and 942 00:46:52,390 --> 00:46:50,690 the way that we know that we are one of 943 00:46:53,850 --> 00:46:52,400 the requirements in my field of study my 944 00:46:56,500 --> 00:46:53,860 field of study is called comparative 945 00:46:59,140 --> 00:46:56,510 cosmology and the first requirement is 946 00:47:00,580 --> 00:46:59,150 that an interpretation has to begin with 947 00:47:03,220 --> 00:47:00,590 a flat statement on the part of the 948 00:47:05,260 --> 00:47:03,230 culture you're studying so it doesn't 949 00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:05,270 work for me to look at two things that 950 00:47:11,860 --> 00:47:07,970 say gee that resembles something exotic 951 00:47:14,770 --> 00:47:11,870 and put forward a theory that says that 952 00:47:17,410 --> 00:47:14,780 that this drawing represents this exotic 953 00:47:19,740 --> 00:47:17,420 thing because I think it does the 954 00:47:22,750 --> 00:47:19,750 interpretation has got to begin with an 955 00:47:24,790 --> 00:47:22,760 authoritative sort ativ source within 956 00:47:28,420 --> 00:47:24,800 the culture itself either a written text 957 00:47:31,030 --> 00:47:28,430 or living priest or some other 958 00:47:32,770 --> 00:47:31,040 authoritative source flatly claiming 959 00:47:35,050 --> 00:47:32,780 that the thing is true and so in the 960 00:47:36,490 --> 00:47:35,060 Dogon case it's their priests who are 961 00:47:40,180 --> 00:47:36,500 saying we're talking about how matter 962 00:47:43,300 --> 00:47:40,190 forms my job as the researcher is just 963 00:47:45,460 --> 00:47:43,310 to test the reasonableness of what 964 00:47:48,340 --> 00:47:45,470 they're saying I'm sort of in the role 965 00:47:50,530 --> 00:47:48,350 of the guy on the murder mystery you 966 00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:50,540 know the TV show that the submerge drama 967 00:47:56,290 --> 00:47:54,770 brings the suspect in and bets him and 968 00:47:58,840 --> 00:47:56,300 says where were you at 9 o'clock on 969 00:48:00,910 --> 00:47:58,850 Saturday night the 15th and if the guy 970 00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:00,920 has can present a reasonable explanation 971 00:48:04,990 --> 00:48:02,930 for he was and you're the witnesses who 972 00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:05,000 saw me there and so forth then they know 973 00:48:09,250 --> 00:48:07,010 well this guy can't be the guy who 974 00:48:10,630 --> 00:48:09,260 committed the crime they let him go well 975 00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:10,640 I sort of do that with the fact that 976 00:48:13,310 --> 00:48:11,490 they'll go present 977 00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:13,320 there any any reason to knock what 978 00:48:18,350 --> 00:48:14,850 they're saying out of the water because 979 00:48:20,510 --> 00:48:18,360 it it doesn't hold up actually in every 980 00:48:23,750 --> 00:48:20,520 case what the Dogon have said from my 981 00:48:25,700 --> 00:48:23,760 point of view holds up factually and it 982 00:48:30,050 --> 00:48:25,710 points us to really interesting concepts 983 00:48:33,050 --> 00:48:30,060 of how things work let's talk about that 984 00:48:35,060 --> 00:48:33,060 right now I was clearing my throat okay 985 00:48:37,940 --> 00:48:35,070 now I'm much better layered I'm much 986 00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:37,950 better let's talk about some of the 987 00:48:44,690 --> 00:48:42,090 evidence that for you 988 00:48:46,609 --> 00:48:44,700 showed you that this is exactly correct 989 00:48:50,500 --> 00:48:46,619 that the Dogon did have this knowledge 990 00:48:53,660 --> 00:48:50,510 of you know when we are talking about 991 00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:53,670 star systems binary star systems the 992 00:48:59,060 --> 00:48:56,610 possibility I can tell you layered that 993 00:49:01,910 --> 00:48:59,070 when I look at the sky and I look at the 994 00:49:04,100 --> 00:49:01,920 night sky I don't know nothing I don't 995 00:49:06,470 --> 00:49:04,110 know what I'm looking at I see stars and 996 00:49:08,210 --> 00:49:06,480 it's beautiful and it's great unless I 997 00:49:09,650 --> 00:49:08,220 have some kind of crazy star map that 998 00:49:12,140 --> 00:49:09,660 has been developed over hundreds of 999 00:49:14,420 --> 00:49:12,150 years and and I can look up there use 1000 00:49:16,580 --> 00:49:14,430 some software it will point me in the 1001 00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:16,590 right direction but I can tell you I 1002 00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:18,330 don't know the difference between a 1003 00:49:23,690 --> 00:49:21,690 planet and a star I can't see the 1004 00:49:25,580 --> 00:49:23,700 movements going out on the sky I did you 1005 00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:25,590 know I'm not standing there for hours 1006 00:49:33,380 --> 00:49:30,090 and days on end you know but they did 1007 00:49:35,630 --> 00:49:33,390 and other cultures did too as well so as 1008 00:49:37,940 --> 00:49:35,640 the evidence started to compile for you 1009 00:49:39,710 --> 00:49:37,950 what was your aha moment when you went 1010 00:49:43,010 --> 00:49:39,720 okay you know what there's something to 1011 00:49:44,780 --> 00:49:43,020 this well one of the key moments and I 1012 00:49:46,820 --> 00:49:44,790 started out where you did I knew about 1013 00:49:48,950 --> 00:49:46,830 atoms and I knew about protons and 1014 00:49:50,450 --> 00:49:48,960 electrons and neutrons but a lot of the 1015 00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:50,460 rest of it I had to learn about as I 1016 00:49:55,849 --> 00:49:53,690 went and I was doing my comparisons as 1017 00:49:57,410 --> 00:49:55,859 people like Brian Greene and Stephen 1018 00:49:59,570 --> 00:49:57,420 Hawking were trying to explain in 1019 00:50:02,930 --> 00:49:59,580 layman's terms how certain things worked 1020 00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:02,940 I could see where the the connections 1021 00:50:05,990 --> 00:50:04,530 were to my first book is really just a 1022 00:50:08,770 --> 00:50:06,000 side-by-side comparison of what those 1023 00:50:12,710 --> 00:50:08,780 connections are but the aha moment came 1024 00:50:14,210 --> 00:50:12,720 the Dogon describe a fundamental 1025 00:50:17,450 --> 00:50:14,220 structure of matter that's basically a 1026 00:50:19,609 --> 00:50:17,460 spiral and they give very careful 1027 00:50:22,940 --> 00:50:19,619 descriptions of how it forms and what 1028 00:50:24,770 --> 00:50:22,950 its attributes are how it works 1029 00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:24,780 they say that 1030 00:50:30,770 --> 00:50:26,970 processes that happen at the level of an 1031 00:50:34,370 --> 00:50:30,780 atom are parallel to the processes that 1032 00:50:37,610 --> 00:50:34,380 happen in in the universe as above so 1033 00:50:41,300 --> 00:50:37,620 below is the the hermetics content right 1034 00:50:43,220 --> 00:50:41,310 so the aha moment was they took the 1035 00:50:47,060 --> 00:50:43,230 dogon talked about a structure they 1036 00:50:49,490 --> 00:50:47,070 called the chariot of Orion and they 1037 00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:49,500 give us information that allows us if 1038 00:50:54,050 --> 00:50:51,690 you follow it carefully what it points 1039 00:50:55,910 --> 00:50:54,060 you to is a spiraling birthplace of 1040 00:50:57,890 --> 00:50:55,920 stars that you eat you and I can't even 1041 00:51:00,410 --> 00:50:57,900 see if we try to look at it it's so 1042 00:51:02,990 --> 00:51:00,420 faint that you can't see it with a 1043 00:51:05,420 --> 00:51:03,000 native the naked eye you need time-lapse 1044 00:51:06,740 --> 00:51:05,430 photography to even image it the small 1045 00:51:08,690 --> 00:51:06,750 amount of light that it's just emitting 1046 00:51:10,670 --> 00:51:08,700 but when you do that when you use 1047 00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:10,680 time-lapse photography what you see is 1048 00:51:16,430 --> 00:51:13,890 the shape of a spiral that Center is on 1049 00:51:18,470 --> 00:51:16,440 the belt stars of Orion that when you 1050 00:51:20,150 --> 00:51:18,480 image it looks like the wheel of 1051 00:51:22,940 --> 00:51:20,160 material that Orion the Hunter is 1052 00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:22,950 standing that structure is called 1053 00:51:28,910 --> 00:51:26,970 Barnard's loop and from an astronomers 1054 00:51:30,500 --> 00:51:28,920 point of view it's called a cell the 1055 00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:30,510 structure represents a stellar bubble 1056 00:51:34,430 --> 00:51:32,490 and when you read the scientific 1057 00:51:36,620 --> 00:51:34,440 descriptions of how its stellar bubble 1058 00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:36,630 forms what stages it goes through to 1059 00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:39,210 form what it's eventually going to is go 1060 00:51:42,770 --> 00:51:40,650 actually going to happen to it as it 1061 00:51:44,660 --> 00:51:42,780 gets older and older and older it's a 1062 00:51:47,060 --> 00:51:44,670 direct match for how the Dogon describe 1063 00:51:49,580 --> 00:51:47,070 this little spiral of matter how is it 1064 00:51:52,130 --> 00:51:49,590 possible how you know I remember the 1065 00:51:53,330 --> 00:51:52,140 first time I that I heard you talk about 1066 00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:53,340 this and read about this and the way 1067 00:51:58,850 --> 00:51:56,130 that you presented it compelling spot on 1068 00:52:02,600 --> 00:51:58,860 the money it's it's it's it's excellent 1069 00:52:05,660 --> 00:52:02,610 and it's great research but ok but how 1070 00:52:08,510 --> 00:52:05,670 in that how could they possibly know 1071 00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:08,520 this how does it it you have to take a 1072 00:52:12,770 --> 00:52:11,130 base value their statement that somebody 1073 00:52:14,900 --> 00:52:12,780 who understood the subject told them 1074 00:52:15,620 --> 00:52:14,910 about it that's really the only way they 1075 00:52:18,740 --> 00:52:15,630 could know it 1076 00:52:21,380 --> 00:52:18,750 you can't expect what's essentially a 1077 00:52:23,930 --> 00:52:21,390 primitive African tribe it says it has 1078 00:52:25,250 --> 00:52:23,940 no access to technology at all I figured 1079 00:52:27,740 --> 00:52:25,260 this stuff out you might imagine that 1080 00:52:32,030 --> 00:52:27,750 maybe a shaman can get into the right 1081 00:52:34,340 --> 00:52:32,040 metal state to to you know have a busy 1082 00:52:35,420 --> 00:52:34,350 access right Akashic records or 1083 00:52:38,150 --> 00:52:35,430 something and turn up this information 1084 00:52:40,309 --> 00:52:38,160 right and that sort of thing 1085 00:52:41,839 --> 00:52:40,319 in the traditions is based on might 1086 00:52:44,089 --> 00:52:41,849 happen but that's not the way the Dogon 1087 00:52:45,620 --> 00:52:44,099 say they got this go and say that 1088 00:52:47,779 --> 00:52:45,630 somebody who knew all about it 1089 00:52:50,900 --> 00:52:47,789 deliberately taught it to that that's 1090 00:52:52,430 --> 00:52:50,910 what the system of symbols is about that 1091 00:52:55,009 --> 00:52:52,440 is survived in culture after culture 1092 00:52:57,650 --> 00:52:55,019 down to the archetypes of view that 1093 00:53:01,630 --> 00:52:57,660 those symbols are all part of the system 1094 00:53:04,549 --> 00:53:01,640 symbolic system that describes how 1095 00:53:06,259 --> 00:53:04,559 stages of creation happen now when you 1096 00:53:08,900 --> 00:53:06,269 look at the symbolism side of it and 1097 00:53:10,490 --> 00:53:08,910 then I want to we'll go back to where we 1098 00:53:13,220 --> 00:53:10,500 were but when you look at the symbolism 1099 00:53:16,069 --> 00:53:13,230 of it and and having you describe and 1100 00:53:18,620 --> 00:53:16,079 walk everybody through it you go okay 1101 00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:18,630 well that that makes sense and that can 1102 00:53:25,849 --> 00:53:21,890 only be what we think that it is now 1103 00:53:29,450 --> 00:53:25,859 right that's right this same symbolism 1104 00:53:32,210 --> 00:53:29,460 it wasn't only limited to the Dogon as 1105 00:53:35,170 --> 00:53:32,220 well it was like somebody was teaching 1106 00:53:39,079 --> 00:53:35,180 many cultures this same information 1107 00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:39,089 that's right and that it's by comparing 1108 00:53:44,930 --> 00:53:42,930 the same symbol or mentor ritual between 1109 00:53:47,150 --> 00:53:44,940 cultures that you start to triangulate 1110 00:53:49,700 --> 00:53:47,160 in on what the truth has to be because 1111 00:53:52,039 --> 00:53:49,710 if you have four different cultures who 1112 00:53:54,319 --> 00:53:52,049 essentially understand the same concept 1113 00:53:57,650 --> 00:53:54,329 the same way you pretty much have a lock 1114 00:54:01,579 --> 00:53:57,660 on what the concept and now we go into 1115 00:54:03,829 --> 00:54:01,589 the crazy area where it's the 1116 00:54:06,589 --> 00:54:03,839 fundamental question is okay well who 1117 00:54:08,599 --> 00:54:06,599 was doing the teaching and we can we can 1118 00:54:11,059 --> 00:54:08,609 cross-reference these symbols and the 1119 00:54:13,999 --> 00:54:11,069 cultures and come up with some dates and 1120 00:54:19,130 --> 00:54:14,009 we're looking at some crazy dates you 1121 00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:19,140 know millennia BC situations here so who 1122 00:54:26,630 --> 00:54:22,650 had this fantastical information and did 1123 00:54:28,999 --> 00:54:26,640 it come from above was it you know what 1124 00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:29,009 I mean we we are getting into a crazy 1125 00:54:35,599 --> 00:54:31,650 area here but it's right but it's the 1126 00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:35,609 only answer well and there's a tradition 1127 00:54:39,620 --> 00:54:37,890 in Islam called the bridge of sera that 1128 00:54:43,609 --> 00:54:39,630 says that the truth is going to be found 1129 00:54:47,930 --> 00:54:43,619 on a Razors Edge between sensor science 1130 00:54:49,279 --> 00:54:47,940 and superstition and in other words it 1131 00:54:51,830 --> 00:54:49,289 doesn't matter how you approach this 1132 00:54:54,620 --> 00:54:51,840 what your mindset is coming at it 1133 00:54:56,750 --> 00:54:54,630 or superstitious that you're going to 1134 00:54:58,400 --> 00:54:56,760 have to take us one or two steps out of 1135 00:55:00,320 --> 00:54:58,410 your comfort zone to be able to get at 1136 00:55:02,030 --> 00:55:00,330 what the actual truth of its going to be 1137 00:55:07,940 --> 00:55:02,040 because it's going to lie somewhere in 1138 00:55:10,580 --> 00:55:07,950 between the two the both the Dogon and 1139 00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:10,590 the Buddhists who share a common 1140 00:55:14,870 --> 00:55:13,050 symbolic system only given in different 1141 00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:14,880 languages they both agree that they got 1142 00:55:20,570 --> 00:55:17,610 it from a nonhuman source and you 1143 00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:20,580 tempted to think well you know stars 1144 00:55:24,770 --> 00:55:22,770 like Sirius is so important to this 1145 00:55:27,170 --> 00:55:24,780 tradition we must be talking about you 1146 00:55:29,450 --> 00:55:27,180 know UFO aliens sci-fi type aliens that 1147 00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:29,460 came from Sirius atop this stuff but 1148 00:55:34,070 --> 00:55:30,930 that's not really the way it plays out 1149 00:55:36,590 --> 00:55:34,080 with these guys the Dogon say they're 1150 00:55:39,860 --> 00:55:36,600 talking about something more exotic than 1151 00:55:41,870 --> 00:55:39,870 that if you follow this tradition back 1152 00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:41,880 to its beginnings there are philosophies 1153 00:55:46,100 --> 00:55:44,010 that underlie this stuff and in the 1154 00:55:49,210 --> 00:55:46,110 philosopher cosmological philosophy 1155 00:55:52,430 --> 00:55:49,220 they're saying universes form in pairs 1156 00:55:54,980 --> 00:55:52,440 one of them is non material and one of 1157 00:55:57,650 --> 00:55:54,990 them is material and the Dogon are 1158 00:56:00,050 --> 00:55:57,660 saying are claiming that the teachers 1159 00:56:03,380 --> 00:56:00,060 who gave them this information were 1160 00:56:05,270 --> 00:56:03,390 originally non material and then somehow 1161 00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:05,280 materialized and we're able to take 1162 00:56:11,060 --> 00:56:07,650 action in our in our world frame and 1163 00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:11,070 teach these things so Doug we've got 1164 00:56:16,430 --> 00:56:14,490 about well really quick before I've got 1165 00:56:18,170 --> 00:56:16,440 to hit a break here in 60 seconds so 1166 00:56:20,510 --> 00:56:18,180 we'll pick up right here when we come 1167 00:56:22,340 --> 00:56:20,520 back but let me ask you this that you 1168 00:56:25,550 --> 00:56:22,350 can give me the short answer how 1169 00:56:27,770 --> 00:56:25,560 comfortable were you stepping outside of 1170 00:56:29,780 --> 00:56:27,780 the box because this was a big step to 1171 00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:29,790 the left of the right for anybody but 1172 00:56:35,030 --> 00:56:32,130 this is your research how comfortable 1173 00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:35,040 were you with that my inclination was 1174 00:56:40,190 --> 00:56:37,890 not to but there are certain rules I 1175 00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:40,200 follow as a researcher that if I'm true 1176 00:56:44,390 --> 00:56:42,810 to those rules forces me to consider it 1177 00:56:45,950 --> 00:56:44,400 and I'll explain after the break with 1178 00:56:50,690 --> 00:56:45,960 that how that works and that's why you 1179 00:56:53,270 --> 00:56:50,700 are Laird Scranton and we are not very 1180 00:56:55,550 --> 00:56:53,280 clear all right our guest tonight Larry 1181 00:56:58,370 --> 00:56:55,560 Trenton yeah we are going old school 1182 00:57:01,070 --> 00:56:58,380 tonight we're going to get our knowledge 1183 00:57:03,290 --> 00:57:01,080 on lost history the Dogon we're going to 1184 00:57:04,849 --> 00:57:03,300 talk about the gods of Egypt the Maori 1185 00:57:07,279 --> 00:57:04,859 in New Zealand is new 1186 00:57:08,150 --> 00:57:07,289 coming book all of that right after this 1187 00:57:10,999 --> 00:57:08,160 short break 1188 00:57:14,479 --> 00:57:11,009 stay with us our guest Laird Scranton on 1189 00:57:24,670 --> 00:57:14,489 the game changer network and kgr a the 1190 00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:27,200 [Music] 1191 00:57:33,060 --> 00:57:29,770 Christmas Day to black with Ginny church 1192 00:57:36,500 --> 00:57:33,070 on the game-changer radio 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01:01:11,780 --> 01:01:09,570 history it is my favorite subject I got 1265 01:01:15,260 --> 01:01:11,790 to tell you now let it go straight back 1266 01:01:21,010 --> 01:01:15,270 to where we left off there Laird and 1267 01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:24,050 ancient Egypt and the Dogon and some of 1268 01:01:27,109 --> 01:01:25,050 the things that you were putting 1269 01:01:29,750 --> 01:01:27,119 together that that was occurring on the 1270 01:01:32,390 --> 01:01:29,760 atomic level I want everybody to grasp 1271 01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:32,400 this concept here you made that 1272 01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:36,530 connection also with ancient Egypt and 1273 01:01:41,599 --> 01:01:39,330 some of their symbolism was directly 1274 01:01:45,050 --> 01:01:41,609 directly correlating back with what the 1275 01:01:46,700 --> 01:01:45,060 Dogon were doing and I want to talk 1276 01:01:50,060 --> 01:01:46,710 about that for a second because we are 1277 01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:50,070 going back you know 5,000 years that's 1278 01:01:58,640 --> 01:01:56,010 right well the the central question we 1279 01:02:00,859 --> 01:01:58,650 were discussing was whether there could 1280 01:02:02,329 --> 01:02:00,869 be non-human influences here that the 1281 01:02:04,460 --> 01:02:02,339 Dogon are saying there were and the 1282 01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:04,470 Buddhists is saying that there were now 1283 01:02:09,740 --> 01:02:07,170 the situation I'm in as a researcher is 1284 01:02:12,079 --> 01:02:09,750 I've got two matching symbolic systems 1285 01:02:14,180 --> 01:02:12,089 given in two different languages one in 1286 01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:14,190 Sanskrit the other in ancient Egyptian 1287 01:02:20,390 --> 01:02:17,570 words essentially and that implies that 1288 01:02:21,859 --> 01:02:20,400 neither culture just learned about their 1289 01:02:23,450 --> 01:02:21,869 system from the other one there wasn't a 1290 01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:23,460 direct transmission the otherwise that 1291 01:02:26,150 --> 01:02:24,690 wouldn't mean a different everything 1292 01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:26,160 wouldn't mean a different language right 1293 01:02:32,030 --> 01:02:29,970 so both are have legitimate claim to the 1294 01:02:35,150 --> 01:02:32,040 ancient Buddhist system was documented 1295 01:02:37,370 --> 01:02:35,160 by about 400 BC and the Dogon system is 1296 01:02:40,190 --> 01:02:37,380 given in words that went out of use by 1297 01:02:41,570 --> 01:02:40,200 around 750 BC but really tied back 1298 01:02:44,540 --> 01:02:41,580 farther than that in my mind they tie 1299 01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:44,550 back to about 3000 BC right now what 1300 01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:47,010 that means is two separate cultures 1301 01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:49,530 managed to keep this complicated system 1302 01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:51,450 of symbols straight for thousands of 1303 01:02:56,420 --> 01:02:53,730 years because when you when you read 1304 01:02:59,150 --> 01:02:56,430 about what a modern authority on 1305 01:03:01,040 --> 01:02:59,160 Buddhism says there he's describing a 1306 01:03:02,839 --> 01:03:01,050 system that's a the same clothes match 1307 01:03:05,270 --> 01:03:02,849 for the Dogon system that I'm talking 1308 01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:05,280 about in other words for those two 1309 01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:07,170 systems to match after thousands of 1310 01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:09,330 years neither one of them can have 1311 01:03:11,299 --> 01:03:09,930 changed 1312 01:03:13,220 --> 01:03:11,309 essentially over those thousand-year 1313 01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:13,230 periods of time if they had they 1314 01:03:20,839 --> 01:03:17,690 wouldn't still match so as a researcher 1315 01:03:23,210 --> 01:03:20,849 we've also got both cultures saying that 1316 01:03:26,089 --> 01:03:23,220 they got it from a nonhuman source so 1317 01:03:27,829 --> 01:03:26,099 now as a researcher that puts me in a 1318 01:03:31,609 --> 01:03:27,839 hard position I have two choices 1319 01:03:33,109 --> 01:03:31,619 basically I can presume that both 1320 01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:33,119 cultures managed to keep all these 1321 01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:35,730 intimate details straight for thousands 1322 01:03:39,950 --> 01:03:37,890 of years but somehow forgot who they got 1323 01:03:42,710 --> 01:03:39,960 the system from possible not but not 1324 01:03:44,630 --> 01:03:42,720 just forgot it but forgot it in and 1325 01:03:48,620 --> 01:03:44,640 matching ways they miss remembered it 1326 01:03:52,250 --> 01:03:48,630 the same way as each other or I can take 1327 01:03:55,549 --> 01:03:52,260 the stance that that detail straight 1328 01:03:56,780 --> 01:03:55,559 DeLuna that that implies that I have to 1329 01:03:59,240 --> 01:03:56,790 consider that they're telling me the 1330 01:04:02,599 --> 01:03:59,250 truth about that or in agreement about 1331 01:04:04,549 --> 01:04:02,609 it I have to at least allow the 1332 01:04:05,870 --> 01:04:04,559 possibility or consider the possibility 1333 01:04:08,150 --> 01:04:05,880 that a nonhuman source was involved 1334 01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:08,160 because there's such in a bit agreement 1335 01:04:13,250 --> 01:04:10,890 between these two systems I tried to 1336 01:04:16,460 --> 01:04:13,260 explain that at one point Graham Hancock 1337 01:04:19,690 --> 01:04:16,470 had asked for people to give him their 1338 01:04:22,549 --> 01:04:19,700 best shot as to why we have to consider 1339 01:04:25,700 --> 01:04:22,559 non-human influences in this ancient 1340 01:04:28,069 --> 01:04:25,710 stuffy to mysteries tradition and that 1341 01:04:29,930 --> 01:04:28,079 was the explanation I gave him that you 1342 01:04:32,299 --> 01:04:29,940 can't have both cultures remembering it 1343 01:04:35,690 --> 01:04:32,309 that way and not at least consider the 1344 01:04:39,799 --> 01:04:35,700 possibility and what about what LK so we 1345 01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:39,809 have the possibility of maybe something 1346 01:04:44,630 --> 01:04:42,690 from the Stars okay let's let's let's 1347 01:04:47,329 --> 01:04:44,640 put that on the side for a second little 1348 01:04:51,530 --> 01:04:47,339 side burner we'll let that simmer what 1349 01:04:54,079 --> 01:04:51,540 about another civilization before I drop 1350 01:04:56,359 --> 01:04:54,089 to a word and go Atlantis but we don't 1351 01:05:00,500 --> 01:04:56,369 necessarily have to go there but a 1352 01:05:02,450 --> 01:05:00,510 previous culture that handed the 1353 01:05:09,710 --> 01:05:02,460 information down and it was earthbound 1354 01:05:14,299 --> 01:05:09,720 information well it's a tricky 1355 01:05:16,579 --> 01:05:14,309 perspective on that the nature of the 1356 01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:16,589 information some of this information is 1357 01:05:24,140 --> 01:05:20,970 is describing such things as what 1358 01:05:26,359 --> 01:05:24,150 preceded the Big Bang and what you know 1359 01:05:28,910 --> 01:05:26,369 versus look like from the broad picture 1360 01:05:32,180 --> 01:05:28,920 out looking outside in right these are 1361 01:05:35,900 --> 01:05:32,190 these are topics that only a space 1362 01:05:40,730 --> 01:05:35,910 capable civilization could have known 1363 01:05:46,460 --> 01:05:40,740 about so in the end we're either talking 1364 01:05:50,779 --> 01:05:46,470 about a space capable culture from 1365 01:05:52,940 --> 01:05:50,789 without where we are or else a space 1366 01:05:54,769 --> 01:05:52,950 capable culture from within where we are 1367 01:05:57,529 --> 01:05:54,779 right we're talking about in Atlantis 1368 01:06:00,079 --> 01:05:57,539 this is the level of knowledge that 1369 01:06:01,730 --> 01:06:00,089 implies that they were space capable so 1370 01:06:03,529 --> 01:06:01,740 it really doesn't matter it's a moot 1371 01:06:07,519 --> 01:06:03,539 question to me whether we're dealing 1372 01:06:09,410 --> 01:06:07,529 with space alien type capabilities here 1373 01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:09,420 or not whether it's earthbound or 1374 01:06:13,849 --> 01:06:11,730 whether it's not earthbound somebody had 1375 01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:13,859 that same capability it's a moot point 1376 01:06:20,059 --> 01:06:17,130 to me but the fact of the matter is that 1377 01:06:21,500 --> 01:06:20,069 as we get down the line I'm I've written 1378 01:06:25,250 --> 01:06:21,510 a couple of books ahead of where I 1379 01:06:30,079 --> 01:06:25,260 published at this point when we get down 1380 01:06:32,420 --> 01:06:30,089 to the bottom of what I've researched so 1381 01:06:37,839 --> 01:06:32,430 far you end up with an umbrella 1382 01:06:42,079 --> 01:06:37,849 perspective Leela to be true that 1383 01:06:45,019 --> 01:06:42,089 there's involvement with a pre Ice Age 1384 01:06:49,010 --> 01:06:45,029 culture that was decimated like I let 1385 01:06:51,620 --> 01:06:49,020 antis but there's also involved that 1386 01:06:54,200 --> 01:06:51,630 that that culture is also connected to 1387 01:06:57,200 --> 01:06:54,210 the non-material influences of the Dogon 1388 01:07:00,620 --> 01:06:57,210 talking about it being hard to explain 1389 01:07:04,519 --> 01:07:00,630 no no it's not and this is this is what 1390 01:07:08,079 --> 01:07:04,529 is trippy for me is that the and it's 1391 01:07:11,900 --> 01:07:08,089 the obvious which is the the talk of 1392 01:07:14,569 --> 01:07:11,910 binary star systems and even even 1393 01:07:17,240 --> 01:07:14,579 planetary systems out there in 1394 01:07:19,940 --> 01:07:17,250 exoplanets this is all modern knowledge 1395 01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:19,950 this is stuff that we we didn't even 1396 01:07:25,250 --> 01:07:23,130 start to grasp the concept of binary 1397 01:07:27,380 --> 01:07:25,260 star systems until just recently 1398 01:07:29,750 --> 01:07:27,390 and when we're talking about four and a 1399 01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:29,760 half billion years on earth right and in 1400 01:07:36,500 --> 01:07:33,930 modern history let's let's just say 3000 1401 01:07:37,730 --> 01:07:36,510 BC - now it's 5000 years that is an 1402 01:07:41,510 --> 01:07:37,740 infant ism 1403 01:07:45,650 --> 01:07:41,520 amount of time that when you look at the 1404 01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:45,660 now the age of the earth right it's it 1405 01:07:50,570 --> 01:07:48,090 with this is modern modern modern 1406 01:07:54,170 --> 01:07:50,580 knowledge and information that the 1407 01:07:56,450 --> 01:07:54,180 scientist and astrologer today had to be 1408 01:07:59,480 --> 01:07:56,460 convinced that this was actually and now 1409 01:08:03,350 --> 01:07:59,490 in the last ten years it is now the 1410 01:08:06,170 --> 01:08:03,360 accepted norm that most star systems are 1411 01:08:08,750 --> 01:08:06,180 binary but this is knowledge that these 1412 01:08:11,660 --> 01:08:08,760 cultures have had for a long long time 1413 01:08:13,130 --> 01:08:11,670 that flips me out and that's where it 1414 01:08:14,330 --> 01:08:13,140 must have come from the Stars this 1415 01:08:16,820 --> 01:08:14,340 information it had to come from 1416 01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:16,830 off-planet well but if you think that 1417 01:08:21,320 --> 01:08:18,690 we've come to this level of 1418 01:08:25,130 --> 01:08:21,330 understanding in say twelve thousand 1419 01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:25,140 years at most right and that the links 1420 01:08:29,480 --> 01:08:26,730 that humanity has been on the planet is 1421 01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:29,490 many many many times that it's hard to 1422 01:08:34,610 --> 01:08:31,770 imagine that in some other 12 thousand 1423 01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:34,620 years span of modern humanity that some 1424 01:08:44,090 --> 01:08:35,970 other group didn't come to the same 1425 01:08:49,430 --> 01:08:44,100 point and go drive by yes see it now for 1426 01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:49,440 the for the Dogon what we start getting 1427 01:08:56,710 --> 01:08:51,690 down to is in is it some really 1428 01:09:00,640 --> 01:08:56,720 complicated questions about motivations 1429 01:09:03,079 --> 01:09:00,650 what would motivate somebody to 1430 01:09:05,749 --> 01:09:03,089 establish a system like the symbolic 1431 01:09:07,280 --> 01:09:05,759 esoteric system what would what could 1432 01:09:09,260 --> 01:09:07,290 possibly have been the motivation other 1433 01:09:11,210 --> 01:09:09,270 than just altruism to help us out right 1434 01:09:14,090 --> 01:09:11,220 right right right 1435 01:09:17,240 --> 01:09:14,100 so part of what the later books get down 1436 01:09:19,220 --> 01:09:17,250 to is an understanding that that's a 1437 01:09:21,110 --> 01:09:19,230 greet upon by multiple groups you see it 1438 01:09:23,210 --> 01:09:21,120 in capitalism you see it in Buddhism you 1439 01:09:26,059 --> 01:09:23,220 see it in the Dogon culture you see in 1440 01:09:29,510 --> 01:09:26,069 ancient traditions of India you see at 1441 01:09:31,670 --> 01:09:29,520 other places around the planet a common 1442 01:09:36,050 --> 01:09:31,680 perspective on what the motivation the 1443 01:09:40,940 --> 01:09:36,060 original motivations were for creating 1444 01:09:44,930 --> 01:09:40,950 this instructed tradition you might 1445 01:09:48,470 --> 01:09:44,940 think that it comes down to an 1446 01:09:51,380 --> 01:09:48,480 altruistic effort like a FEMA effort to 1447 01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:51,390 help us recover from a disaster like 1448 01:09:55,520 --> 01:09:53,610 such as the ice ice age imposed on us 1449 01:09:57,980 --> 01:09:55,530 right the ice age really knocked us back 1450 01:10:00,020 --> 01:09:57,990 to zero and so just following the ice 1451 01:10:02,660 --> 01:10:00,030 age now suddenly you have a group coming 1452 01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:02,670 in that looks an awful lot like FEMA in 1453 01:10:06,980 --> 01:10:04,650 terms of what they're doing helping us 1454 01:10:09,260 --> 01:10:06,990 relearn basic skills of Agriculture 1455 01:10:13,250 --> 01:10:09,270 helping us we learn basic concepts of 1456 01:10:16,940 --> 01:10:13,260 science helping us structure cities and 1457 01:10:17,570 --> 01:10:16,950 and countries or the idea of nations and 1458 01:10:19,370 --> 01:10:17,580 so forth 1459 01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:19,380 put government to place and things like 1460 01:10:24,050 --> 01:10:22,650 that so you could you can approach it 1461 01:10:26,690 --> 01:10:24,060 from that standpoint and say look this 1462 01:10:29,390 --> 01:10:26,700 looks like a humanitarian effort and on 1463 01:10:31,250 --> 01:10:29,400 one level that's what it is but when you 1464 01:10:34,100 --> 01:10:31,260 get down to the really bottom 1465 01:10:38,510 --> 01:10:34,110 motivations it turns out that there is a 1466 01:10:40,070 --> 01:10:38,520 compelling mutual interest that if you 1467 01:10:42,590 --> 01:10:40,080 accept the idea that there is a 1468 01:10:44,690 --> 01:10:42,600 non-material universe that's paired with 1469 01:10:46,580 --> 01:10:44,700 the material universe and that that non 1470 01:10:48,710 --> 01:10:46,590 material universe is characterized as 1471 01:10:51,890 --> 01:10:48,720 having perfect knowledge perfect 1472 01:10:54,350 --> 01:10:51,900 intelligence whereas we're characterized 1473 01:10:56,420 --> 01:10:54,360 as having imperfect knowledge they're 1474 01:11:00,130 --> 01:10:56,430 characterized as having no ability to 1475 01:11:03,830 --> 01:11:00,140 act in their own frame while we have 1476 01:11:05,750 --> 01:11:03,840 perfect ability to act in our frame you 1477 01:11:08,120 --> 01:11:05,760 go to the ancient philosophies and what 1478 01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:08,130 they're saying is there are routine 1479 01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:09,930 attempts being made from this non 1480 01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:13,170 material side to induce actions on the 1481 01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:16,530 material side if you believe the concept 1482 01:11:22,310 --> 01:11:20,370 of the unicycle that humanity goes 1483 01:11:24,620 --> 01:11:22,320 through cycles of being able to perceive 1484 01:11:26,660 --> 01:11:24,630 and not perceive this non material realm 1485 01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:26,670 you know connection to the spiritual or 1486 01:11:31,220 --> 01:11:29,250 the non material gets greater for a 1487 01:11:32,630 --> 01:11:31,230 period of time and it becomes less and 1488 01:11:34,340 --> 01:11:32,640 less and less and less and then I get 1489 01:11:36,980 --> 01:11:34,350 start to agree or and emigrated greater 1490 01:11:39,350 --> 01:11:36,990 again right going through a cycle then 1491 01:11:41,240 --> 01:11:39,360 you understand that maybe humanity did 1492 01:11:43,490 --> 01:11:41,250 have ways of having access to this 1493 01:11:45,700 --> 01:11:43,500 knowledge in the Dogon case they're not 1494 01:11:47,330 --> 01:11:45,710 talking about a spiritual experience 1495 01:11:51,140 --> 01:11:47,340 they're talking about a physical 1496 01:11:53,060 --> 01:11:51,150 instruction but you can understand how a 1497 01:11:55,550 --> 01:11:53,070 body of knowledge that we were right on 1498 01:11:59,660 --> 01:11:55,560 top of back in ancient times somehow 1499 01:12:03,620 --> 01:11:59,670 over time we've lost that's sort of what 1500 01:12:05,180 --> 01:12:03,630 this this cycle of of transmission is 1501 01:12:07,459 --> 01:12:05,190 connected to you have people 1502 01:12:10,490 --> 01:12:07,469 like Walter talking about how can 1503 01:12:13,910 --> 01:12:10,500 that happen he's he's imagining it 1504 01:12:15,830 --> 01:12:13,920 there's a force that draws our solar 1505 01:12:18,130 --> 01:12:15,840 system closer and farther away from a 1506 01:12:20,750 --> 01:12:18,140 galactic center and that there are 1507 01:12:22,580 --> 01:12:20,760 electromagnetic effects from being 1508 01:12:25,459 --> 01:12:22,590 closer and farther away from that Center 1509 01:12:30,410 --> 01:12:25,469 that enhance the capabilities of people 1510 01:12:32,330 --> 01:12:30,420 now the the other part for this that 1511 01:12:34,490 --> 01:12:32,340 really starts to fascinate me when we're 1512 01:12:36,650 --> 01:12:34,500 talking about the atomic level our 1513 01:12:39,709 --> 01:12:36,660 knowledge of and especially when I was 1514 01:12:41,209 --> 01:12:39,719 growing up and you were about the same 1515 01:12:43,430 --> 01:12:41,219 age you're a little older than I am but 1516 01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:43,440 as when we went through school the 1517 01:12:48,050 --> 01:12:45,330 smallest thing there is is the atom 1518 01:12:52,010 --> 01:12:48,060 right that's it that's it and now we 1519 01:12:55,729 --> 01:12:52,020 know that obviously that's not true but 1520 01:12:57,740 --> 01:12:55,739 but but and how and what was inside of 1521 01:13:00,140 --> 01:12:57,750 an atom and how it actually worked is 1522 01:13:01,459 --> 01:13:00,150 still puzzling as today but ripping it 1523 01:13:03,020 --> 01:13:01,469 apart we're finding out that there's all 1524 01:13:04,939 --> 01:13:03,030 kinds of smaller and smaller and smaller 1525 01:13:06,439 --> 01:13:04,949 and smaller things every time we find 1526 01:13:08,600 --> 01:13:06,449 something small there's something inside 1527 01:13:11,450 --> 01:13:08,610 of that that's even smaller grain the 1528 01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:11,460 Dogon had this knowledge okay great but 1529 01:13:16,459 --> 01:13:13,410 why did they have this knowledge and 1530 01:13:18,350 --> 01:13:16,469 what could they have done with it well I 1531 01:13:21,070 --> 01:13:18,360 can tell you one of the reasons they had 1532 01:13:23,570 --> 01:13:21,080 the knowledge from my point of view is 1533 01:13:26,060 --> 01:13:23,580 okay first of all the information is as 1534 01:13:28,220 --> 01:13:26,070 you said is aimed at a target audience 1535 01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:28,230 that was technological thousands of 1536 01:13:31,850 --> 01:13:29,489 years in the future for when the 1537 01:13:35,750 --> 01:13:31,860 information was presented they are 1538 01:13:38,630 --> 01:13:35,760 focused on an audience that has to have 1539 01:13:40,100 --> 01:13:38,640 enough awareness to know what an atom is 1540 01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:40,110 and to know what the components of an 1541 01:13:44,150 --> 01:13:41,850 atom are but when you get to that 1542 01:13:46,550 --> 01:13:44,160 audience which in this case is us yes 1543 01:13:48,650 --> 01:13:46,560 that entire structure of matter we can 1544 01:13:51,770 --> 01:13:48,660 verify from wavez all the way up to the 1545 01:13:53,660 --> 01:13:51,780 atom that's great that's stuff the the 1546 01:13:55,610 --> 01:13:53,670 Dogon should possibly know but we can 1547 01:13:57,620 --> 01:13:55,620 absolutely verify as on the money they 1548 01:13:59,540 --> 01:13:57,630 got it right they there's no question 1549 01:14:01,580 --> 01:13:59,550 they're reciting the alphabet of matter 1550 01:14:03,500 --> 01:14:01,590 in the in the correct way the same as a 1551 01:14:06,170 --> 01:14:03,510 four-year-old if they can recite the 1552 01:14:08,120 --> 01:14:06,180 real alphabet and point to the right 1553 01:14:09,860 --> 01:14:08,130 letter at the time they recited everyone 1554 01:14:12,709 --> 01:14:09,870 agrees they understand the alphabet 1555 01:14:14,120 --> 01:14:12,719 right well everyone has to agree that 1556 01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:14,130 the Dogon understand the structure of 1557 01:14:18,350 --> 01:14:17,370 matter one purpose of that from my point 1558 01:14:21,560 --> 01:14:18,360 of view is 1559 01:14:23,899 --> 01:14:21,570 to establish a credential for the source 1560 01:14:25,939 --> 01:14:23,909 that provided the information it says 1561 01:14:28,879 --> 01:14:25,949 here look here's this whole complicated 1562 01:14:31,910 --> 01:14:28,889 structure that you can absolutely verify 1563 01:14:33,350 --> 01:14:31,920 is right now we're going to tell you 1564 01:14:35,300 --> 01:14:33,360 about a whole bunch of really 1565 01:14:37,189 --> 01:14:35,310 interesting stuff that you're not in a 1566 01:14:39,410 --> 01:14:37,199 position to absolutely that was right 1567 01:14:40,459 --> 01:14:39,420 but because you can see that we knew 1568 01:14:42,820 --> 01:14:40,469 what we were talking about with this 1569 01:14:45,919 --> 01:14:42,830 other structure that gives you the cause 1570 01:14:47,209 --> 01:14:45,929 to consider seriously consider that we 1571 01:14:50,899 --> 01:14:47,219 know what we're talking about with the 1572 01:14:53,149 --> 01:14:50,909 rest of this have you been able to look 1573 01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:53,159 at some of the symbolism from we've 1574 01:14:57,050 --> 01:14:54,810 talked about cultures but what about the 1575 01:14:59,390 --> 01:14:57,060 Native Americans what about here in the 1576 01:15:03,260 --> 01:14:59,400 United States any symbolism there of you 1577 01:15:05,750 --> 01:15:03,270 it's all the same stuff okay if we talk 1578 01:15:08,689 --> 01:15:05,760 about a buddhist stupa which is a shrine 1579 01:15:10,910 --> 01:15:08,699 a symbolic shrine that's a grand symbol 1580 01:15:13,430 --> 01:15:10,920 of this tradition any culture that has a 1581 01:15:16,879 --> 01:15:13,440 stupa it was affected by the same 1582 01:15:18,859 --> 01:15:16,889 tradition the doke would have one well 1583 01:15:20,750 --> 01:15:18,869 in Siberia and Mongolia there's a 1584 01:15:23,359 --> 01:15:20,760 portable kind of a stupid it's called a 1585 01:15:25,129 --> 01:15:23,369 yurt has all the same symbolism right 1586 01:15:27,290 --> 01:15:25,139 and a lot of the same structures and 1587 01:15:30,229 --> 01:15:27,300 there are four different types of styles 1588 01:15:32,780 --> 01:15:30,239 of Europe the most complicated yurt is a 1589 01:15:35,629 --> 01:15:32,790 match for a Navajo roundhouse both in 1590 01:15:38,209 --> 01:15:35,639 structure and symbolism the simplest 1591 01:15:41,060 --> 01:15:38,219 kind of yurt is called a teepee as a 1592 01:15:43,280 --> 01:15:41,070 match for a Native American teepee so 1593 01:15:45,620 --> 01:15:43,290 this is absolutely that's a signature 1594 01:15:48,290 --> 01:15:45,630 that there's absolutely a connection 1595 01:15:51,229 --> 01:15:48,300 between Siberian Mongolia and North 1596 01:15:54,200 --> 01:15:51,239 America in terms of these structures and 1597 01:15:56,270 --> 01:15:54,210 the architecture proves it now when we 1598 01:16:00,620 --> 01:15:56,280 start to look at this and I'm so 1599 01:16:02,570 --> 01:16:00,630 fascinated with it's simple to look at 1600 01:16:03,649 --> 01:16:02,580 megalithic structures because at first 1601 01:16:05,660 --> 01:16:03,659 off they're big 1602 01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:05,670 second they're beautiful and we always 1603 01:16:09,169 --> 01:16:08,010 look at them and wonder okay how the 1604 01:16:12,229 --> 01:16:09,179 heck did they do that 1605 01:16:15,740 --> 01:16:12,239 and so you know that megalithic stuff 1606 01:16:17,930 --> 01:16:15,750 seems to be upfront and talked about as 1607 01:16:20,410 --> 01:16:17,940 it should right but when you look at all 1608 01:16:24,040 --> 01:16:20,420 of the different types of artistry 1609 01:16:28,189 --> 01:16:24,050 architecture doorways windows steps 1610 01:16:32,540 --> 01:16:28,199 roofs construction teepees yurts around 1611 01:16:33,709 --> 01:16:32,550 the world they either these cultures are 1612 01:16:36,290 --> 01:16:33,719 communicating with each other and 1613 01:16:38,569 --> 01:16:36,300 sharing this knowledge or there is a 1614 01:16:40,959 --> 01:16:38,579 progeny that's at the top of the tree 1615 01:16:43,459 --> 01:16:40,969 where everything is originating from 1616 01:16:45,379 --> 01:16:43,469 what do you think was a communication 1617 01:16:47,750 --> 01:16:45,389 between the cultures and some kind of 1618 01:16:48,109 --> 01:16:47,760 transoceanic communication going on back 1619 01:16:50,629 --> 01:16:48,119 then 1620 01:16:53,120 --> 01:16:50,639 or did they just have one teacher from 1621 01:16:55,669 --> 01:16:53,130 above well there was a little of both 1622 01:16:57,140 --> 01:16:55,679 going on but the essential piece of it 1623 01:16:58,850 --> 01:16:57,150 from my point of view is they had a 1624 01:17:01,490 --> 01:16:58,860 common teacher who was teaching them the 1625 01:17:06,799 --> 01:17:01,500 same information in substantially the 1626 01:17:07,910 --> 01:17:06,809 same way if we can divert our discussion 1627 01:17:11,720 --> 01:17:07,920 for just a minute you were talking about 1628 01:17:13,970 --> 01:17:11,730 megalithic structures yes I am scheduled 1629 01:17:15,260 --> 01:17:13,980 to take a small tour group to Orkney 1630 01:17:17,660 --> 01:17:15,270 Island 1631 01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:17,670 I'm going to lead it tour in the middle 1632 01:17:23,839 --> 01:17:19,770 of September from September 14th to the 1633 01:17:25,459 --> 01:17:23,849 23rd scary or skara brae all of the 1634 01:17:26,959 --> 01:17:25,469 megalithic structures that are there and 1635 01:17:29,629 --> 01:17:26,969 as part of that I'm going to be able to 1636 01:17:33,640 --> 01:17:29,639 actually give a presentation on my skara 1637 01:17:37,069 --> 01:17:33,650 brae book in a hotel in Orkney island 1638 01:17:39,080 --> 01:17:37,079 people who live on organic oh man great 1639 01:17:41,060 --> 01:17:39,090 opportunity for me to try to balance 1640 01:17:44,359 --> 01:17:41,070 this information off of people I want to 1641 01:17:47,839 --> 01:17:44,369 go a couple of slots still open on the 1642 01:17:49,910 --> 01:17:47,849 tour if there's anyone who wants to join 1643 01:17:51,470 --> 01:17:49,920 it there's it's not too late to join up 1644 01:17:52,970 --> 01:17:51,480 with it where where is going to happen 1645 01:17:56,510 --> 01:17:52,980 one by the other yeah where is that 1646 01:17:58,129 --> 01:17:56,520 information for everybody best way to 1647 01:18:01,459 --> 01:17:58,139 find it would be to contact me on 1648 01:18:03,620 --> 01:18:01,469 Facebook okay I periodically posted on 1649 01:18:05,359 --> 01:18:03,630 Facebook this is a tour company that 1650 01:18:09,740 --> 01:18:05,369 Prost approached me about leading a tour 1651 01:18:11,359 --> 01:18:09,750 I'm doing it basically for as long as my 1652 01:18:13,100 --> 01:18:11,369 expenses are covered I'm just doing it 1653 01:18:15,589 --> 01:18:13,110 gratis that same thing with a 1654 01:18:17,930 --> 01:18:15,599 presentation on Orkney it's a free event 1655 01:18:19,370 --> 01:18:17,940 open to the public for people to come in 1656 01:18:22,100 --> 01:18:19,380 and learn about this stuff or talk about 1657 01:18:24,439 --> 01:18:22,110 this stuff whoa so I'm talking about 1658 01:18:26,750 --> 01:18:24,449 Orkney let's kind of stand skara brae 1659 01:18:30,439 --> 01:18:26,760 for a second do you have some more 1660 01:18:33,399 --> 01:18:30,449 developments absolutely there are some 1661 01:18:35,990 --> 01:18:33,409 really interesting things first of all 1662 01:18:38,120 --> 01:18:36,000 my perspective is that we have a 1663 01:18:40,600 --> 01:18:38,130 cosmological tradition that started at 1664 01:18:44,270 --> 01:18:40,610 gobekli tepe in that era after were on 1665 01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:44,280 10,000 BC and that was centered 1666 01:18:47,710 --> 01:18:45,770 primarily in the Fertile Crescent 1667 01:18:48,760 --> 01:18:47,720 moved south from there and moved 1668 01:18:52,660 --> 01:18:48,770 actually ended up moving in all 1669 01:18:55,960 --> 01:18:52,670 directions from there on Orkney you have 1670 01:18:58,360 --> 01:18:55,970 signs that the Orkney Islands can out of 1671 01:19:02,020 --> 01:18:58,370 that same tradition one of the signs is 1672 01:19:04,030 --> 01:19:02,030 a unique variety bar quite unique in the 1673 01:19:07,480 --> 01:19:04,040 UK only the Orkney Islands that moves us 1674 01:19:08,860 --> 01:19:07,490 anyplace house but the DNA shows that 1675 01:19:12,730 --> 01:19:08,870 originated in the Fertile Crescent 1676 01:19:15,100 --> 01:19:12,740 around 6000 BC now there's also a 1677 01:19:19,060 --> 01:19:15,110 variety of sheep called the orchestra 1678 01:19:21,520 --> 01:19:19,070 sheep whose DNA points to the same same 1679 01:19:25,240 --> 01:19:21,530 location in the same era there's a 1680 01:19:28,050 --> 01:19:25,250 variety of mouse or vole who I don't 1681 01:19:30,610 --> 01:19:28,060 have positive DNA proof but I have of 1682 01:19:32,650 --> 01:19:30,620 circumstantial information to suggest 1683 01:19:35,800 --> 01:19:32,660 that it came out of the same region it 1684 01:19:39,460 --> 01:19:35,810 only exists in Turkey down into 1685 01:19:41,830 --> 01:19:39,470 Palestine on the tip of North Africa and 1686 01:19:45,910 --> 01:19:41,840 on Orkney island so it almost traces a 1687 01:19:47,590 --> 01:19:45,920 path by owed by sea for whoever came to 1688 01:19:49,570 --> 01:19:47,600 work the island and then had to be by 1689 01:19:50,050 --> 01:19:49,580 sea right I mean it just had to be 1690 01:19:52,150 --> 01:19:50,060 theirs 1691 01:19:53,860 --> 01:19:52,160 I mean what does the last step had to be 1692 01:19:55,660 --> 01:19:53,870 to get on Dorking Island 1693 01:19:58,300 --> 01:19:55,670 the transmission could have been by land 1694 01:20:00,220 --> 01:19:58,310 across Europe but they've done testing 1695 01:20:02,290 --> 01:20:00,230 of this Mouse this bull across Europe 1696 01:20:04,930 --> 01:20:02,300 and they don't find a match right 1697 01:20:09,340 --> 01:20:04,940 so that suggests that it didn't now in 1698 01:20:10,930 --> 01:20:09,350 addition to that there is a what was 1699 01:20:14,730 --> 01:20:10,940 considered to be a leader from a 1700 01:20:18,340 --> 01:20:14,740 somewhat later era a set of a group 1701 01:20:21,100 --> 01:20:18,350 burial chamber where they find skulls 1702 01:20:23,170 --> 01:20:21,110 that were severely damaged on the top 1703 01:20:24,760 --> 01:20:23,180 and bodies that were dismembered and 1704 01:20:28,900 --> 01:20:24,770 burned and it's always been interpreted 1705 01:20:30,850 --> 01:20:28,910 that this is evidence of an attack on 1706 01:20:33,430 --> 01:20:30,860 the island that these people were were 1707 01:20:35,980 --> 01:20:33,440 attacked and killed and and their bones 1708 01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:35,990 thrown into this burial chamber but in 1709 01:20:42,820 --> 01:20:39,050 fact all of the details of this berry 1710 01:20:45,970 --> 01:20:42,830 chamber line up with a ritualized burial 1711 01:20:48,460 --> 01:20:45,980 method that existed for the sock Shakti 1712 01:20:51,100 --> 01:20:48,470 cult in that same region of the Fertile 1713 01:20:53,710 --> 01:20:51,110 Crescent and in down in India that I tie 1714 01:20:58,090 --> 01:20:53,720 everything else to so it's it's in 1715 01:20:59,320 --> 01:20:58,100 agreement my difficulty was that the way 1716 01:21:00,970 --> 01:20:59,330 the symbolism plays 1717 01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:00,980 it implies that it happened in an 1718 01:21:04,630 --> 01:21:02,810 earlier era maybe a thousand years 1719 01:21:07,060 --> 01:21:04,640 earlier than the traditional researchers 1720 01:21:08,890 --> 01:21:07,070 think while just recently a study came 1721 01:21:11,260 --> 01:21:08,900 out saying guess what we've discovered 1722 01:21:13,270 --> 01:21:11,270 that some of this stuff had to have 1723 01:21:16,390 --> 01:21:13,280 happened thousands of years before when 1724 01:21:19,930 --> 01:21:16,400 we traditionally thought it happened my 1725 01:21:23,560 --> 01:21:19,940 vision of things is this and I'm just a 1726 01:21:26,980 --> 01:21:23,570 doofus okay so I'm not coming but from 1727 01:21:28,900 --> 01:21:26,990 any point of Education but this is how I 1728 01:21:33,070 --> 01:21:28,910 kind of see this starting to play out 1729 01:21:35,470 --> 01:21:33,080 here is if we start at gobekli tepe and 1730 01:21:38,230 --> 01:21:35,480 we go back to 10,000 BC 12,000 BC 1731 01:21:40,870 --> 01:21:38,240 whatever that dating turns out to be but 1732 01:21:43,930 --> 01:21:40,880 it seems like everything is going to fan 1733 01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:43,940 out from there by foot headed south into 1734 01:21:53,290 --> 01:21:49,610 the Fertile Crescent into Iraq and down 1735 01:21:56,260 --> 01:21:53,300 through Egypt across northern Africa 1736 01:21:58,720 --> 01:21:56,270 maybe boats get involved here out of the 1737 01:22:02,530 --> 01:21:58,730 Mediterranean and then back up but I 1738 01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:02,540 think everything is going to start to go 1739 01:22:06,220 --> 01:22:03,770 back late epi it's going to be at the 1740 01:22:08,110 --> 01:22:06,230 center of the wagon wheel right now one 1741 01:22:09,130 --> 01:22:08,120 of the translations for the word vein 1742 01:22:12,820 --> 01:22:09,140 gobekli tepe 1743 01:22:14,980 --> 01:22:12,830 is central Hill yep now that's the same 1744 01:22:18,160 --> 01:22:14,990 translation that applies the suffix 1745 01:22:21,490 --> 01:22:18,170 appleís in Greece and their temples were 1746 01:22:23,590 --> 01:22:21,500 traditionally placed on central hills so 1747 01:22:25,990 --> 01:22:23,600 we have that kind of a connection that 1748 01:22:27,670 --> 01:22:26,000 implies that go back to Tepe may have 1749 01:22:29,530 --> 01:22:27,680 been situated where it was because it 1750 01:22:31,060 --> 01:22:29,540 was central to all these other regions 1751 01:22:33,720 --> 01:22:31,070 of sort of in the center of land masses 1752 01:22:37,270 --> 01:22:33,730 yeah it was visible from everywhere 1753 01:22:40,030 --> 01:22:37,280 right and and we can ah we can trace 1754 01:22:42,850 --> 01:22:40,040 their DNA studies studies of civilizing 1755 01:22:44,970 --> 01:22:42,860 skills and so forth that all move in all 1756 01:22:50,470 --> 01:22:44,980 directions from there you can process 1757 01:22:52,810 --> 01:22:50,480 language you can follow you know and 1758 01:22:55,090 --> 01:22:52,820 we'll husband begin types of livestock 1759 01:22:56,770 --> 01:22:55,100 things like that in all directions and 1760 01:23:03,160 --> 01:22:56,780 see that it fans out from that Fertile 1761 01:23:05,050 --> 01:23:03,170 Crescent reach in so if that ends up 1762 01:23:08,020 --> 01:23:05,060 following following a path that goes as 1763 01:23:12,600 --> 01:23:08,030 far south through India as far east and 1764 01:23:14,669 --> 01:23:12,610 south as Australia you have evidence 1765 01:23:19,109 --> 01:23:14,679 I'm connected with that please Australia 1766 01:23:21,270 --> 01:23:19,119 of Liberia was a matriarchal condition 1767 01:23:23,399 --> 01:23:21,280 the Shakti Cup is a matriarchal 1768 01:23:25,350 --> 01:23:23,409 tradition and there's there are symbolic 1769 01:23:27,180 --> 01:23:25,360 reversals that go along here that are 1770 01:23:31,379 --> 01:23:27,190 are interesting in terms of the Orkney 1771 01:23:33,870 --> 01:23:31,389 find the ritual through the Shakti code 1772 01:23:36,570 --> 01:23:33,880 suggests that the top of the head was 1773 01:23:39,390 --> 01:23:36,580 being deliberately opened ritually for 1774 01:23:44,669 --> 01:23:39,400 symbolic purposes now in in traditions 1775 01:23:48,600 --> 01:23:44,679 in India the idea is that if a person's 1776 01:23:51,600 --> 01:23:48,610 and energy to ascend after they deities 1777 01:23:53,700 --> 01:23:51,610 to emerge from the top of their head so 1778 01:23:55,109 --> 01:23:53,710 there's a sensible symbolism here - 1779 01:23:58,439 --> 01:23:55,119 opening up the top of the head to allow 1780 01:24:01,979 --> 01:23:58,449 that ascension to happen but then midway 1781 01:24:04,590 --> 01:24:01,989 through this this period starting at 1782 01:24:07,020 --> 01:24:04,600 10,000 BC you see symbolic reversals 1783 01:24:09,629 --> 01:24:07,030 happen in a lot of different ways the 1784 01:24:11,850 --> 01:24:09,639 same symbolism that I see applying to 1785 01:24:14,310 --> 01:24:11,860 the opening up of the head in archaic 1786 01:24:15,990 --> 01:24:14,320 times it's what applies to the opening 1787 01:24:19,800 --> 01:24:16,000 of the mouth of the mummy in Egypt in 1788 01:24:23,490 --> 01:24:19,810 later times now to support that idea we 1789 01:24:24,930 --> 01:24:23,500 go to the word that the Egyptians use to 1790 01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:24,940 describe the opening of the mouth 1791 01:24:29,459 --> 01:24:27,010 ceremony and it's written with two 1792 01:24:32,280 --> 01:24:29,469 glyphs the first glyph is a glyph that 1793 01:24:34,770 --> 01:24:32,290 symbolizes the crown of the skull and 1794 01:24:37,020 --> 01:24:34,780 the second one is a glyph that it 1795 01:24:38,970 --> 01:24:37,030 represents a mouth so we have the 1796 01:24:42,149 --> 01:24:38,980 concept of these two things linked 1797 01:24:44,760 --> 01:24:42,159 together in relation to that tradition 1798 01:24:46,140 --> 01:24:44,770 in the Egyptian word itself I'm going to 1799 01:24:47,970 --> 01:24:46,150 flip you out we're going to head towards 1800 01:24:51,390 --> 01:24:47,980 a break but I want your reaction on this 1801 01:24:54,570 --> 01:24:51,400 in Armenian okay in Armenian you know 1802 01:24:56,399 --> 01:24:54,580 what gobekli tepe translates to no 1803 01:25:01,350 --> 01:24:56,409 what's a umbilical cord 1804 01:25:04,470 --> 01:25:01,360 oh very intimate yes and and you can 1805 01:25:08,189 --> 01:25:04,480 also stretch it out a little bit navel 1806 01:25:10,260 --> 01:25:08,199 navel you know the same thing ending in 1807 01:25:12,240 --> 01:25:10,270 Turkish at he'll with a navel yeah he'll 1808 01:25:16,290 --> 01:25:12,250 with the navel navel mountain isn't that 1809 01:25:19,350 --> 01:25:16,300 a trip I read it weird isn't it and if 1810 01:25:22,919 --> 01:25:19,360 we start to look at all of this how is 1811 01:25:25,830 --> 01:25:22,929 starting to play out here I just feel 1812 01:25:26,310 --> 01:25:25,840 that now that Gobekli Tepe is going to 1813 01:25:27,930 --> 01:25:26,320 become more 1814 01:25:31,470 --> 01:25:27,940 and more significant that's my opinion 1815 01:25:34,740 --> 01:25:31,480 but in their recent yeah in the recent 1816 01:25:38,820 --> 01:25:34,750 little flare-up over on the Joe Rogan 1817 01:25:39,420 --> 01:25:38,830 show with with Graham and and Randall 1818 01:25:42,720 --> 01:25:39,430 Carlson 1819 01:25:47,100 --> 01:25:42,730 those guys are backing up a little bit 1820 01:25:49,350 --> 01:25:47,110 in apologizing for their they got a 1821 01:25:51,090 --> 01:25:49,360 little angry on the show I said to I 1822 01:25:54,750 --> 01:25:51,100 said to Graham and I really didn't get 1823 01:25:57,180 --> 01:25:54,760 angry enough you know in my opinion but 1824 01:26:00,390 --> 01:25:57,190 but but they were also backing off a 1825 01:26:05,130 --> 01:26:00,400 little bit when we were the suggestions 1826 01:26:06,870 --> 01:26:05,140 of a high technology culture was was 1827 01:26:10,530 --> 01:26:06,880 around before gobekli tepe 1828 01:26:13,200 --> 01:26:10,540 and i disagree you know i think either 1829 01:26:16,620 --> 01:26:13,210 they that that's the position that they 1830 01:26:18,570 --> 01:26:16,630 want to stick with or that there wasn't 1831 01:26:21,480 --> 01:26:18,580 or maybe that they don't want to defend 1832 01:26:23,580 --> 01:26:21,490 that position but i really think that 1833 01:26:26,010 --> 01:26:23,590 there was something behind gobekli tepe 1834 01:26:29,700 --> 01:26:26,020 that was pretty strong and upright and 1835 01:26:32,700 --> 01:26:29,710 very technological well i'm in agreement 1836 01:26:34,320 --> 01:26:32,710 with you and as i said that from from my 1837 01:26:37,200 --> 01:26:34,330 point of view there's an umbrella 1838 01:26:40,260 --> 01:26:37,210 perspective over both viewpoints the 1839 01:26:44,460 --> 01:26:40,270 idea of a high ancient culture and the 1840 01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:44,470 idea of a sort of a fema recovery effort 1841 01:26:50,910 --> 01:26:48,010 after a disaster I actually had message 1842 01:26:53,160 --> 01:26:50,920 Graham at one point that said look I can 1843 01:26:55,080 --> 01:26:53,170 explain to you the details of how this 1844 01:26:57,840 --> 01:26:55,090 umbrella perspective works it would take 1845 01:27:00,000 --> 01:26:57,850 me about an afternoon to to justify it 1846 01:27:02,730 --> 01:27:00,010 to you right right but there is a 1847 01:27:04,650 --> 01:27:02,740 perspective there that that upholds the 1848 01:27:07,020 --> 01:27:04,660 viewpoint that he has but it requires 1849 01:27:09,960 --> 01:27:07,030 him to take a step outside of his 1850 01:27:11,640 --> 01:27:09,970 comfort zone and embrace the Buddhist in 1851 01:27:13,680 --> 01:27:11,650 the building perspective of a 1852 01:27:15,900 --> 01:27:13,690 non-material influence yeah and my 1853 01:27:17,430 --> 01:27:15,910 problem with Graham is this when 1854 01:27:20,580 --> 01:27:17,440 whenever I talk to him about these 1855 01:27:23,490 --> 01:27:20,590 subjects directly I can't argue with him 1856 01:27:26,010 --> 01:27:23,500 his accent kicks in and he's suddenly 1857 01:27:28,890 --> 01:27:26,020 she's the smart guy in the room right 1858 01:27:30,890 --> 01:27:28,900 and I just I yell uncle and I give up 1859 01:27:33,150 --> 01:27:30,900 let's take a break crack the year Laird 1860 01:27:34,470 --> 01:27:33,160 fantastic conversation when we come back 1861 01:27:38,580 --> 01:27:34,480 everybody Laird and I are going to 1862 01:27:39,890 --> 01:27:38,590 discuss the ancient gods of Egypt we're 1863 01:27:42,320 --> 01:27:39,900 going to jump right there and there 1864 01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:42,330 a lot of symbolism involved and all of 1865 01:27:46,040 --> 01:27:44,010 his research will do that when we come 1866 01:27:47,600 --> 01:27:46,050 back fade to black our guest Laird 1867 01:27:50,149 --> 01:27:47,610 Scranton America Church 1868 01:28:02,209 --> 01:27:50,159 this is fade to black we'll be right 1869 01:28:06,040 --> 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01:31:23,310 hi I'm Lisa Vance you're listening to 1941 01:31:28,980 --> 01:31:26,170 Jimmy Church this is a revolution the 1942 01:31:36,040 --> 01:31:28,990 revolution will not be televised the 1943 01:31:36,050 --> 01:32:15,130 [Music] 1944 01:32:19,820 --> 01:32:17,450 welcome back fade to black our guest 1945 01:32:22,790 --> 01:32:19,830 tonight Laird scram getting our 1946 01:32:25,130 --> 01:32:22,800 knowledge on this is how you do it this 1947 01:32:27,680 --> 01:32:25,140 is how you get your degree in lost 1948 01:32:29,860 --> 01:32:27,690 history you listen to fade to black you 1949 01:32:33,560 --> 01:32:29,870 listen to me and you get your education 1950 01:32:36,410 --> 01:32:33,570 on all right it's just three hours on 1951 01:32:39,080 --> 01:32:36,420 this show and you get you I'll send it 1952 01:32:40,760 --> 01:32:39,090 to you email me I'll print something out 1953 01:32:42,440 --> 01:32:40,770 I'll give you I'll give you your own 1954 01:32:44,600 --> 01:32:42,450 degree Laird 1955 01:32:47,480 --> 01:32:44,610 this is what one of the things that 1956 01:32:50,900 --> 01:32:47,490 isn't talked about enough is the the 1957 01:32:52,880 --> 01:32:50,910 gods of Egypt and before we step into 1958 01:32:54,920 --> 01:32:52,890 that can I answer one thing here so you 1959 01:32:57,530 --> 01:32:54,930 can answer what I have a good support 1960 01:32:58,820 --> 01:32:57,540 team here my wife Risa in particular is 1961 01:33:00,260 --> 01:32:58,830 always watching out for me and she 1962 01:33:02,600 --> 01:33:00,270 brought me the information about that 1963 01:33:05,540 --> 01:33:02,610 tour in case anybody's interested oh 1964 01:33:09,260 --> 01:33:05,550 absolutely the website it's the 1965 01:33:11,660 --> 01:33:09,270 destination company calm and the name of 1966 01:33:14,990 --> 01:33:11,670 the tour is mysteries of orkney island 1967 01:33:17,420 --> 01:33:15,000 or okay you know what do this for me pop 1968 01:33:19,370 --> 01:33:17,430 that in text it to me right now and I'll 1969 01:33:21,920 --> 01:33:19,380 get our producers to put it up in 1970 01:33:27,310 --> 01:33:21,930 Twitter okay that sounds good okay we'll 1971 01:33:34,790 --> 01:33:30,560 okay we'll do that now and the reason 1972 01:33:38,210 --> 01:33:34,800 why it's it's kind of funny when the the 1973 01:33:40,580 --> 01:33:38,220 gods of Egypt are brought up it's always 1974 01:33:44,750 --> 01:33:40,590 in a superficial sense I don't think 1975 01:33:47,110 --> 01:33:44,760 enough talk goes on about the the gods 1976 01:33:50,870 --> 01:33:47,120 of Egypt you know they'll talk about 1977 01:33:52,550 --> 01:33:50,880 Amun raw or or a cyrus and then just 1978 01:33:54,680 --> 01:33:52,560 kind of let things go thought they'll 1979 01:33:57,590 --> 01:33:54,690 kind of come and let things go we have 1980 01:33:59,660 --> 01:33:57,600 the imagery there but but who they are 1981 01:34:02,180 --> 01:33:59,670 what they are in the symbolism behind it 1982 01:34:05,270 --> 01:34:02,190 and what the intentions were and how 1983 01:34:07,130 --> 01:34:05,280 ancient they they actually are it's not 1984 01:34:09,080 --> 01:34:07,140 actually talked about that research is 1985 01:34:12,890 --> 01:34:09,090 always like oh why do you think that is 1986 01:34:14,510 --> 01:34:12,900 it's the most important part of ancient 1987 01:34:15,799 --> 01:34:14,520 Egyptian culture that's just not talked 1988 01:34:18,439 --> 01:34:15,809 about 1989 01:34:20,120 --> 01:34:18,449 well the the symbolism is complicated 1990 01:34:21,560 --> 01:34:20,130 for a lot of reasons we got we have 1991 01:34:24,500 --> 01:34:21,570 influences at different periods of time 1992 01:34:27,439 --> 01:34:24,510 that that make things hard 1993 01:34:29,510 --> 01:34:27,449 you have differences in symbolism from 1994 01:34:31,700 --> 01:34:29,520 locality to locality and then different 1995 01:34:34,490 --> 01:34:31,710 areas in Egypt things changed over time 1996 01:34:36,580 --> 01:34:34,500 so it becomes difficult for a researcher 1997 01:34:41,379 --> 01:34:36,590 who doesn't have some kind of an outside 1998 01:34:44,330 --> 01:34:41,389 source to hang it on to be able to to 1999 01:34:45,830 --> 01:34:44,340 focus in on what the actual symbolism is 2000 01:34:50,899 --> 01:34:45,840 they had they have to go by supposition 2001 01:34:53,450 --> 01:34:50,909 not by by direct evidence I'm fortunate 2002 01:34:55,040 --> 01:34:53,460 in that I have sort of the cheaters copy 2003 01:34:56,240 --> 01:34:55,050 I have the teachers copy of the book you 2004 01:34:58,129 --> 01:34:56,250 know from the fifth grade when you 2005 01:35:00,260 --> 01:34:58,139 suddenly occurred to you the reason the 2006 01:35:02,240 --> 01:35:00,270 teacher had that big book is because all 2007 01:35:03,799 --> 01:35:02,250 the questions to the chapter you know 2008 01:35:06,379 --> 01:35:03,809 the answer so the chapter questions were 2009 01:35:08,629 --> 01:35:06,389 in the back of our book well that that's 2010 01:35:11,680 --> 01:35:08,639 sort of what I feel like I have having 2011 01:35:14,450 --> 01:35:11,690 reference to the Dogon and and Buddhism 2012 01:35:16,430 --> 01:35:14,460 references and so forth that you can you 2013 01:35:20,959 --> 01:35:16,440 can get perspectives on what the 2014 01:35:23,810 --> 01:35:20,969 symbolism meant as an example the Dogon 2015 01:35:25,250 --> 01:35:23,820 symbols get so complicated that they 2016 01:35:27,080 --> 01:35:25,260 feel they have to give you a frame of 2017 01:35:28,669 --> 01:35:27,090 reference to be able to categorize them 2018 01:35:32,720 --> 01:35:28,679 and one of those frames of reference has 2019 01:35:34,760 --> 01:35:32,730 to do with the animal kingdom there's a 2020 01:35:37,609 --> 01:35:34,770 sequence of four stage sequence that 2021 01:35:39,229 --> 01:35:37,619 were one an example as water fire wind 2022 01:35:41,359 --> 01:35:39,239 and earth everybody's familiar with 2023 01:35:46,390 --> 01:35:41,369 those those are four categories four 2024 01:35:50,390 --> 01:35:46,400 symbols well another one is insects fish 2025 01:35:53,870 --> 01:35:50,400 four-legged animals and birds now what 2026 01:35:57,379 --> 01:35:53,880 that reference tells us is it places it 2027 01:36:00,049 --> 01:35:57,389 categorizes where the symbolism Falls 2028 01:36:02,419 --> 01:36:00,059 for any given reference in the animal 2029 01:36:06,589 --> 01:36:02,429 kingdom if you have Kepler who is the 2030 01:36:09,620 --> 01:36:06,599 dung beetle who represents non-existence 2031 01:36:11,450 --> 01:36:09,630 coming into existence that's four stage 2032 01:36:13,430 --> 01:36:11,460 sequence tells you that that symbolism 2033 01:36:16,609 --> 01:36:13,440 should fall at the beginning stages of 2034 01:36:19,010 --> 01:36:16,619 matter and it does thought who has the 2035 01:36:20,750 --> 01:36:19,020 head of a bird has symbolism that based 2036 01:36:23,720 --> 01:36:20,760 on that sequence would have to fall at 2037 01:36:25,970 --> 01:36:23,730 the in the last the four stages the last 2038 01:36:28,189 --> 01:36:25,980 the four stages is closer to an atom and 2039 01:36:29,570 --> 01:36:28,199 the earth first of the four stages is 2040 01:36:33,230 --> 01:36:29,580 closer to waves 2041 01:36:35,960 --> 01:36:33,240 and so based on these Dogon references 2042 01:36:37,850 --> 01:36:35,970 you can predict based on what kind of a 2043 01:36:40,010 --> 01:36:37,860 head the Egyptian God has what the 2044 01:36:42,410 --> 01:36:40,020 symbolism represented or leased support 2045 01:36:46,100 --> 01:36:42,420 fell you know that Anubis who has the 2046 01:36:49,850 --> 01:36:46,110 head of a four-legged animal a dog or a 2047 01:36:52,070 --> 01:36:49,860 jackal has got a fall in the third stage 2048 01:36:54,650 --> 01:36:52,080 of that symbolism and for the Dogon it 2049 01:36:56,360 --> 01:36:54,660 does that's fascinating 2050 01:36:58,550 --> 01:36:56,370 you know and that takes things to a 2051 01:37:02,000 --> 01:36:58,560 whole nother level if you start to think 2052 01:37:04,280 --> 01:37:02,010 about it is there was some communication 2053 01:37:06,440 --> 01:37:04,290 going back and forth or from one 2054 01:37:09,380 --> 01:37:06,450 direction to the other maybe it was one 2055 01:37:11,090 --> 01:37:09,390 way but the influences are certainly 2056 01:37:13,760 --> 01:37:11,100 there and to have this kind of 2057 01:37:17,480 --> 01:37:13,770 communication going back quite possibly 2058 01:37:19,670 --> 01:37:17,490 before there was language right if you 2059 01:37:23,150 --> 01:37:19,680 know what I it is definitely it does the 2060 01:37:25,070 --> 01:37:23,160 oral cosmology is is understood 2061 01:37:27,470 --> 01:37:25,080 traditionally understood to a preceded 2062 01:37:28,580 --> 01:37:27,480 written language to give you another 2063 01:37:30,530 --> 01:37:28,590 example of why the traditional 2064 01:37:32,870 --> 01:37:30,540 researchers don't pick up on this stuff 2065 01:37:35,410 --> 01:37:32,880 there's a researcher named Phyllis 2066 01:37:39,590 --> 01:37:35,420 Granoff who was a professor at Yale and 2067 01:37:42,850 --> 01:37:39,600 she stumbled on ancient Indian texts 2068 01:37:45,470 --> 01:37:42,860 textual references to Ganesha to what's 2069 01:37:48,410 --> 01:37:45,480 described as eight incarnations of 2070 01:37:50,900 --> 01:37:48,420 Ganesha now she could tell based on the 2071 01:37:53,330 --> 01:37:50,910 way the literature is laid out that it 2072 01:37:56,330 --> 01:37:53,340 was supposed to represent progressive 2073 01:37:58,130 --> 01:37:56,340 stages of creation the problem was she 2074 01:37:59,090 --> 01:37:58,140 didn't have any frame of reference to be 2075 01:38:01,250 --> 01:37:59,100 able to understand what they were 2076 01:38:03,470 --> 01:38:01,260 talking about she just knew these 2077 01:38:06,380 --> 01:38:03,480 incarnations of Ganesha or relate to 2078 01:38:09,650 --> 01:38:06,390 stages of creation when you go to the 2079 01:38:11,120 --> 01:38:09,660 Dogon culture you have this spiraling 2080 01:38:13,910 --> 01:38:11,130 structure of matter which they call the 2081 01:38:15,740 --> 01:38:13,920 Pope illu the word P Liu in many of 2082 01:38:18,590 --> 01:38:15,750 these ancient colors means elephant this 2083 01:38:21,130 --> 01:38:18,600 is the the atom of the elephant is a 2084 01:38:25,370 --> 01:38:21,140 literal translations for this spiral 2085 01:38:27,800 --> 01:38:25,380 that the dogon descriptions of the eight 2086 01:38:29,540 --> 01:38:27,810 stages of this spiral of matter line 2087 01:38:32,270 --> 01:38:29,550 right up with those eight incarnations 2088 01:38:34,220 --> 01:38:32,280 of Ganesha and so when you put two 2089 01:38:36,170 --> 01:38:34,230 together you can say ah look here's what 2090 01:38:38,360 --> 01:38:36,180 Ganesha represents cosmologically 2091 01:38:40,790 --> 01:38:38,370 speaking Ganesh this symbolism relates 2092 01:38:44,239 --> 01:38:40,800 to this spiral of manner 2093 01:38:48,140 --> 01:38:44,249 when we look at what about set is there 2094 01:38:51,169 --> 01:38:48,150 a set relationship with the Dogon the 2095 01:38:53,810 --> 01:38:51,179 easiest way to to sort out the symbolism 2096 01:38:56,209 --> 01:38:53,820 if if you don't have a direct dogging 2097 01:38:57,830 --> 01:38:56,219 statement about something the way the 2098 01:38:59,629 --> 01:38:57,840 Egyptian language works the written 2099 01:39:02,839 --> 01:38:59,639 words work they tell you their own 2100 01:39:05,720 --> 01:39:02,849 meanings the glyphs are conceptual 2101 01:39:08,390 --> 01:39:05,730 primarily in addition to being phonetic 2102 01:39:10,310 --> 01:39:08,400 they're also conceptual but the game 2103 01:39:13,069 --> 01:39:10,320 when a scribe was writing an egyptian 2104 01:39:15,919 --> 01:39:13,079 word was to find a way to write the 2105 01:39:18,140 --> 01:39:15,929 right phonetic word using symbols that 2106 01:39:19,569 --> 01:39:18,150 represented the right concept right so 2107 01:39:21,680 --> 01:39:19,579 when you look at the concept of the 2108 01:39:26,529 --> 01:39:21,690 symbols used to write the name of set 2109 01:39:26,539 --> 01:39:32,319 contest concepts of let's get this right 2110 01:39:37,189 --> 01:39:34,790 if we were talking about pets we were 2111 01:39:42,379 --> 01:39:37,199 talking about carpet ah we're talking 2112 01:39:48,680 --> 01:39:42,389 about concepts of space set um we're 2113 01:39:52,370 --> 01:39:48,690 talking about see here well I mean for 2114 01:39:55,939 --> 01:39:52,380 me in wood what's trippy about set for 2115 01:39:58,910 --> 01:39:55,949 me is the you know the God of the red 2116 01:40:03,830 --> 01:39:58,920 desert the orange the the redness about 2117 01:40:06,200 --> 01:40:03,840 him certainly there was bad things about 2118 01:40:09,310 --> 01:40:06,210 set I mean you know what I mean about an 2119 01:40:12,020 --> 01:40:09,320 overall like evil background to this God 2120 01:40:15,080 --> 01:40:12,030 yeah this is symbolism that relates to 2121 01:40:16,520 --> 01:40:15,090 sati in Hinduism and definitely this is 2122 01:40:19,549 --> 01:40:16,530 these are concepts that eventually 2123 01:40:22,250 --> 01:40:19,559 played out as Satan in rosianna tea so 2124 01:40:27,640 --> 01:40:22,260 definitely there's a bad side to it and 2125 01:40:31,189 --> 01:40:29,810 but trying to get down to what that 2126 01:40:33,200 --> 01:40:31,199 symbolism is unless you have a 2127 01:40:36,200 --> 01:40:33,210 comparative view between cultures it's 2128 01:40:37,279 --> 01:40:36,210 almost impossible to put the pieces 2129 01:40:41,149 --> 01:40:37,289 together to know what they're really 2130 01:40:43,939 --> 01:40:41,159 talking about and it's very much the 2131 01:40:45,169 --> 01:40:43,949 same thing as you use a viewmaster you 2132 01:40:47,270 --> 01:40:45,179 look through a viewmaster and you 2133 01:40:49,549 --> 01:40:47,280 because you're looking with two eyes at 2134 01:40:51,680 --> 01:40:49,559 two different slightly different views 2135 01:40:54,049 --> 01:40:51,690 of the same scene the brain sees a 2136 01:40:54,959 --> 01:40:54,059 three-dimensional image it's the same 2137 01:40:57,450 --> 01:40:54,969 way with these compare 2138 01:40:59,160 --> 01:40:57,460 relative relationships between cultures 2139 01:41:00,540 --> 01:40:59,170 when you can see two or more of them 2140 01:41:02,399 --> 01:41:00,550 from slightly different points of view 2141 01:41:04,410 --> 01:41:02,409 you get a three-dimensional picture of 2142 01:41:06,299 --> 01:41:04,420 what they're talking about and then when 2143 01:41:11,850 --> 01:41:06,309 we have Anubis you know a head of a 2144 01:41:14,189 --> 01:41:11,860 jackal head of a dog that to me is one 2145 01:41:18,080 --> 01:41:14,199 thing but today especially in pop 2146 01:41:20,609 --> 01:41:18,090 culture it's an evil I mean it 2147 01:41:24,930 --> 01:41:20,619 represents death and it represents 2148 01:41:27,810 --> 01:41:24,940 darkness when in in reality it was 2149 01:41:29,209 --> 01:41:27,820 actually one of the cooler gods there it 2150 01:41:31,649 --> 01:41:29,219 didn't represent anything bad or 2151 01:41:34,140 --> 01:41:31,659 everybody.welcome because it was taking 2152 01:41:37,770 --> 01:41:34,150 you to the other side this guy was going 2153 01:41:39,810 --> 01:41:37,780 to assist you after you died and and it 2154 01:41:43,109 --> 01:41:39,820 was one of the one of the more respected 2155 01:41:47,189 --> 01:41:43,119 and cooler gods of ancient Egypt right I 2156 01:41:49,379 --> 01:41:47,199 agree the Egyptian underworld relates to 2157 01:41:52,529 --> 01:41:49,389 what the Dogon call the second world of 2158 01:41:56,160 --> 01:41:52,539 matter now the first world of matter is 2159 01:41:58,560 --> 01:41:56,170 waves the second world happens put an 2160 01:42:01,169 --> 01:41:58,570 active perception disturbs that 2161 01:42:02,759 --> 01:42:01,179 perfectly ordered wave and causes it to 2162 01:42:05,100 --> 01:42:02,769 go through a bunch of gyrations that 2163 01:42:08,489 --> 01:42:05,110 reconfigure it and that reconfiguring 2164 01:42:11,279 --> 01:42:08,499 process is what Anubis is connected with 2165 01:42:13,770 --> 01:42:11,289 and so to be able to reconfigure it it's 2166 01:42:15,899 --> 01:42:13,780 like cleaning out a closet to clean up a 2167 01:42:18,239 --> 01:42:15,909 mess you gotta make a mess right and so 2168 01:42:19,919 --> 01:42:18,249 Anubis ends up being associated with 2169 01:42:21,540 --> 01:42:19,929 with the destructive side of that 2170 01:42:23,339 --> 01:42:21,550 because he's making the mask first 2171 01:42:25,020 --> 01:42:23,349 before he cleans it up but it's a 2172 01:42:28,020 --> 01:42:25,030 process of reordering and that 2173 01:42:30,439 --> 01:42:28,030 reordering is the process that a soul 2174 01:42:33,379 --> 01:42:30,449 supposedly goes through when its reborn 2175 01:42:37,770 --> 01:42:33,389 and and see that and that's the whole 2176 01:42:39,870 --> 01:42:37,780 the the patrolling of the afterlife you 2177 01:42:43,410 --> 01:42:39,880 know Anubis walking around and taking 2178 01:42:45,390 --> 01:42:43,420 care of that world also it was a 2179 01:42:48,750 --> 01:42:45,400 positive thing but he was black because 2180 01:42:50,850 --> 01:42:48,760 of the Nile let's say you know and 2181 01:42:53,609 --> 01:42:50,860 people think that today in pop culture 2182 01:42:55,229 --> 01:42:53,619 that he was black because he was evil so 2183 01:42:58,439 --> 01:42:55,239 you have the head of the jackal you have 2184 01:43:00,660 --> 01:42:58,449 this big black you know cosmologically 2185 01:43:05,549 --> 01:43:00,670 he was black because what he's doing 2186 01:43:08,550 --> 01:43:05,559 precedes the appearance of light in the 2187 01:43:10,140 --> 01:43:08,560 material world and everything so yeah 2188 01:43:13,100 --> 01:43:10,150 so he's habit the things he's doing are 2189 01:43:16,830 --> 01:43:13,110 being done in the dark and so in reality 2190 01:43:19,530 --> 01:43:16,840 Anubis was one of the coolest gods you 2191 01:43:21,390 --> 01:43:19,540 know ever right one of the coolest it 2192 01:43:23,780 --> 01:43:21,400 just scares the crap out of people today 2193 01:43:26,370 --> 01:43:23,790 he shows up and he represents evil 2194 01:43:28,950 --> 01:43:26,380 somewhere and somewhere we went down the 2195 01:43:30,600 --> 01:43:28,960 wrong path every second is it including 2196 01:43:35,280 --> 01:43:30,610 John West and and some other rubber 2197 01:43:37,050 --> 01:43:35,290 temple who have surmise could the Sphinx 2198 01:43:39,360 --> 01:43:37,060 have originally represented Anubis 2199 01:43:43,200 --> 01:43:39,370 because they've been shaped like a dog 2200 01:43:45,990 --> 01:43:43,210 rather than a lion and that's sort of 2201 01:43:48,360 --> 01:43:46,000 makes sense mythologically their reasons 2202 01:43:50,430 --> 01:43:48,370 why a person would think might be drew 2203 01:43:52,650 --> 01:43:50,440 and pay for the finger so that could 2204 01:43:57,660 --> 01:43:52,660 allow for it but when again an Egyptian 2205 01:43:59,910 --> 01:43:57,670 lamb question perhaps there are only two 2206 01:44:01,590 --> 01:43:59,920 Egyptian words for the Sphinx and both 2207 01:44:02,940 --> 01:44:01,600 of them are written with lion glyphs one 2208 01:44:05,670 --> 01:44:02,950 with a pure line length and one with a 2209 01:44:07,800 --> 01:44:05,680 man headed Lang left and so it's clear 2210 01:44:09,690 --> 01:44:07,810 that the Egyptians crap I've stopped 2211 01:44:11,220 --> 01:44:09,700 things represented as lion and if 2212 01:44:15,180 --> 01:44:11,230 anybody would have known it would have 2213 01:44:18,300 --> 01:44:15,190 well then we have Sekhmet right right 2214 01:44:23,310 --> 01:44:18,310 okay right and now segment also went 2215 01:44:27,720 --> 01:44:23,320 through some evolutionary changes from 2216 01:44:31,110 --> 01:44:27,730 cat to lion headed lioness but was the 2217 01:44:35,520 --> 01:44:31,120 protector of the Pharaohs right but but 2218 01:44:40,040 --> 01:44:35,530 went from a full feline originally which 2219 01:44:44,220 --> 01:44:40,050 a cat to in the end being a lion headed 2220 01:44:48,270 --> 01:44:44,230 goddess but we have that same symbolism 2221 01:44:51,630 --> 01:44:48,280 going on throughout ancient Egypt right 2222 01:44:53,340 --> 01:44:51,640 and different aspects of things got 2223 01:44:56,610 --> 01:44:53,350 emphasized in different places and as I 2224 01:44:59,040 --> 01:44:56,620 said in different eras and so it's hard 2225 01:45:01,110 --> 01:44:59,050 to put your finger down and say here's 2226 01:45:03,210 --> 01:45:01,120 what the Egyptians thought you really 2227 01:45:06,330 --> 01:45:03,220 have to say what did they think at 3,000 2228 01:45:08,400 --> 01:45:06,340 BC in Abydos or what did they think you 2229 01:45:10,590 --> 01:45:08,410 know in later times at some other 2230 01:45:12,390 --> 01:45:10,600 location yeah and she was one of the 2231 01:45:16,020 --> 01:45:12,400 original gods you know daughter of rah 2232 01:45:20,280 --> 01:45:16,030 and again the protector of the Pharaohs 2233 01:45:21,919 --> 01:45:20,290 and it depends on if you're dealing with 2234 01:45:27,520 --> 01:45:21,929 the old middle 2235 01:45:30,950 --> 01:45:27,530 Kingdom Romans Greek or the original 2236 01:45:33,860 --> 01:45:30,960 dynasty's going backwards she was always 2237 01:45:37,010 --> 01:45:33,870 there but was represented differently do 2238 01:45:38,570 --> 01:45:37,020 you think that they and also this is 2239 01:45:43,939 --> 01:45:38,580 something else that's really strange for 2240 01:45:47,810 --> 01:45:43,949 me why is in Sekhmet talked about like 2241 01:45:50,600 --> 01:45:47,820 maybe thought or a Cyrus or Amin rah our 2242 01:45:53,899 --> 01:45:50,610 she is one of the original gods and very 2243 01:45:56,240 --> 01:45:53,909 very important in ancient Egypt but is 2244 01:45:59,840 --> 01:45:56,250 not talked about in in research today 2245 01:46:01,700 --> 01:45:59,850 well this has to do with the symbolic 2246 01:46:03,830 --> 01:46:01,710 reversals I've talked about these 2247 01:46:07,250 --> 01:46:03,840 reversals you can see them happen cross 2248 01:46:09,050 --> 01:46:07,260 culturally at about the same era if you 2249 01:46:12,740 --> 01:46:09,060 imagine that we have an era that begins 2250 01:46:15,350 --> 01:46:12,750 in 10,000 BC and moves forward to our 2251 01:46:17,810 --> 01:46:15,360 time which would be for a period of 2252 01:46:20,270 --> 01:46:17,820 about 12,000 years somewhere about 2253 01:46:24,470 --> 01:46:20,280 halfway through that process say around 2254 01:46:26,060 --> 01:46:24,480 4000 BC or just after in culture after 2255 01:46:29,000 --> 01:46:26,070 culture you have these reversals 2256 01:46:31,550 --> 01:46:29,010 happening one of the big ones the 2257 01:46:34,100 --> 01:46:31,560 obvious ones is that rather than having 2258 01:46:36,020 --> 01:46:34,110 goddesses or matriarchy being the 2259 01:46:38,090 --> 01:46:36,030 dominant thing suddenly you have good 2260 01:46:39,979 --> 01:46:38,100 bods and patriarchy being the dominant 2261 01:46:43,070 --> 01:46:39,989 thing by the time you get to Egypt to 2262 01:46:45,100 --> 01:46:43,080 3000 BC patriarchy is starting to be the 2263 01:46:47,030 --> 01:46:45,110 rule right and so the modern 2264 01:46:50,030 --> 01:46:47,040 Egyptologists who are looking at a 2265 01:46:53,240 --> 01:46:50,040 patriarchal system and and understanding 2266 01:46:55,340 --> 01:46:53,250 in it that way are sort of relegating 2267 01:46:57,200 --> 01:46:55,350 the goddesses to a lesser position that 2268 01:47:00,169 --> 01:46:57,210 they had in ancient times so it was 2269 01:47:04,280 --> 01:47:00,179 matriarchal for archaic times very 2270 01:47:07,160 --> 01:47:04,290 interesting I wanted to also guide I 2271 01:47:10,300 --> 01:47:07,170 know this is a bit strange but go with 2272 01:47:14,360 --> 01:47:10,310 me here I want to talk about skin colors 2273 01:47:16,160 --> 01:47:14,370 went be in it now Egyptologists are 2274 01:47:20,209 --> 01:47:16,170 going to tell you one thing and they 2275 01:47:22,540 --> 01:47:20,219 have developed this dogma I'm going to 2276 01:47:27,610 --> 01:47:22,550 go a Dogma I think that's the right word 2277 01:47:32,120 --> 01:47:27,620 over the years but when I see a cyrus I 2278 01:47:34,700 --> 01:47:32,130 see alien 2279 01:47:36,170 --> 01:47:34,710 okay I see and it's an obvious thing 2280 01:47:39,590 --> 01:47:36,180 because I'm talking about skin color 2281 01:47:42,530 --> 01:47:39,600 here but I nobody wants to talk about 2282 01:47:44,960 --> 01:47:42,540 the elephant in the room we have a 2283 01:47:46,160 --> 01:47:44,970 definite they they knew what they were 2284 01:47:47,780 --> 01:47:46,170 painting they knew what they were 2285 01:47:49,580 --> 01:47:47,790 represented they knew what the the 2286 01:47:52,820 --> 01:47:49,590 visuals that they were creating here and 2287 01:47:55,130 --> 01:47:52,830 have skin colour off like that Timmy 2288 01:47:57,230 --> 01:47:55,140 says something and they want to read 2289 01:47:59,480 --> 01:47:57,240 something else into it do you think that 2290 01:48:06,950 --> 01:47:59,490 there is an alien connection due to a 2291 01:48:09,230 --> 01:48:06,960 god like a cyrus that's a hard question 2292 01:48:12,680 --> 01:48:09,240 to answer now many of the things that 2293 01:48:15,770 --> 01:48:12,690 happen to Osiris as a God and Egypt also 2294 01:48:18,530 --> 01:48:15,780 happened to sati as a goddess coming out 2295 01:48:20,360 --> 01:48:18,540 of an earlier tradition in in in the 2296 01:48:26,270 --> 01:48:20,370 archaic tradition that feeds Buddhism 2297 01:48:28,550 --> 01:48:26,280 and Hinduism it's the spot okay 2298 01:48:32,770 --> 01:48:28,560 dismembered okay layer do you need to 2299 01:48:37,550 --> 01:48:32,780 repeat all of that you dropped out okay 2300 01:48:41,300 --> 01:48:37,560 that many of the the things that happen 2301 01:48:44,540 --> 01:48:41,310 to a cyrus in Egypt are also things that 2302 01:48:47,360 --> 01:48:44,550 in a more ka Ora happen to a female 2303 01:48:51,860 --> 01:48:47,370 goddess sati or who became sati and in 2304 01:48:54,230 --> 01:48:51,870 in Hinduism she's the one who was killed 2305 01:48:56,300 --> 01:48:54,240 and her body is dismembered and her body 2306 01:48:59,210 --> 01:48:56,310 parts spread across land and every place 2307 01:49:03,590 --> 01:48:59,220 a piece of her body fell was the site of 2308 01:49:05,420 --> 01:49:03,600 a became the site of a shrine that 2309 01:49:09,830 --> 01:49:05,430 symbolism carries forward and this a 2310 01:49:13,700 --> 01:49:09,840 triad in Hinduism between sati and Shiva 2311 01:49:17,750 --> 01:49:13,710 and kadesha that lines up with Osiris 2312 01:49:20,240 --> 01:49:17,760 and Isis and Horus in Egypt it's the 2313 01:49:22,130 --> 01:49:20,250 exact same story yeah pretty much the 2314 01:49:24,800 --> 01:49:22,140 exact same story we're out of the same 2315 01:49:28,400 --> 01:49:24,810 details so we can't really analyze 2316 01:49:31,160 --> 01:49:28,410 things in terms of Osiris because Osiris 2317 01:49:33,230 --> 01:49:31,170 is an evolved version of what the 2318 01:49:35,540 --> 01:49:33,240 original story said this is part of my 2319 01:49:37,790 --> 01:49:35,550 problem is trying to get back to the 2320 01:49:39,770 --> 01:49:37,800 earliest form of any given reference 2321 01:49:41,270 --> 01:49:39,780 that I could find because you don't get 2322 01:49:43,250 --> 01:49:41,280 the truth of it till you get to that 2323 01:49:45,800 --> 01:49:43,260 early form yeah the only difference in 2324 01:49:47,360 --> 01:49:45,810 the story or the myth or what 2325 01:49:49,790 --> 01:49:47,370 ever you want to call it is is the 2326 01:49:52,430 --> 01:49:49,800 missing penis so that part doesn't 2327 01:49:54,180 --> 01:49:52,440 really apply well I don't know we could 2328 01:49:57,670 --> 01:49:54,190 argue sati was missing a penis 2329 01:50:00,320 --> 01:49:57,680 [Laughter] 2330 01:50:03,830 --> 01:50:00,330 Laird's grad that was good that was good 2331 01:50:06,350 --> 01:50:03,840 that was good yeah top of your game the 2332 01:50:09,410 --> 01:50:06,360 other thing that I wanted to talk about 2333 01:50:13,040 --> 01:50:09,420 we're talking about some of this crazy 2334 01:50:14,750 --> 01:50:13,050 knowledge that was around back then I'm 2335 01:50:18,950 --> 01:50:14,760 talking about of the scientific kind 2336 01:50:22,550 --> 01:50:18,960 where we have these gods with animal 2337 01:50:25,130 --> 01:50:22,560 heads again I don't want to go out with 2338 01:50:28,000 --> 01:50:25,140 the reach here but these things are done 2339 01:50:31,430 --> 01:50:28,010 deliberately is there a possibility that 2340 01:50:34,070 --> 01:50:31,440 maybe these gods were accurate in their 2341 01:50:37,370 --> 01:50:34,080 depictions that they did that we were 2342 01:50:40,040 --> 01:50:37,380 looking at some kind of cloning or or or 2343 01:50:43,160 --> 01:50:40,050 crazy surgical processes or different 2344 01:50:46,640 --> 01:50:43,170 species or or or but maybe it just 2345 01:50:50,360 --> 01:50:46,650 wasn't symbolism I can I can talk to 2346 01:50:54,200 --> 01:50:50,370 that in the earliest form back at go 2347 01:50:56,930 --> 01:50:54,210 back to Teppei the tradition that came 2348 01:51:00,440 --> 01:50:56,940 out of that the Shakti cult is an an 2349 01:51:02,810 --> 01:51:00,450 iconic tradition what that means is they 2350 01:51:05,090 --> 01:51:02,820 didn't anthropomorphize it and they 2351 01:51:07,610 --> 01:51:05,100 cancer provides images human images of 2352 01:51:09,890 --> 01:51:07,620 their deities they had certain iconic 2353 01:51:13,070 --> 01:51:09,900 objects that were symbolic for them like 2354 01:51:15,290 --> 01:51:13,080 standing stones and stone circles and 2355 01:51:18,940 --> 01:51:15,300 clay pots and things like that right but 2356 01:51:20,150 --> 01:51:18,950 they didn't have deities who were 2357 01:51:22,430 --> 01:51:20,160 anthropomorphised 2358 01:51:24,560 --> 01:51:22,440 and they had symbolic images that were 2359 01:51:26,950 --> 01:51:24,570 animals that argue argue ibly 2360 01:51:29,810 --> 01:51:26,960 represented stages of caused 2361 01:51:31,790 --> 01:51:29,820 cosmological stages and processes that's 2362 01:51:34,010 --> 01:51:31,800 how they survive with the Dogon now you 2363 01:51:39,640 --> 01:51:34,020 get farther down in the tradition in 2364 01:51:42,920 --> 01:51:39,650 India and the animal becomes the iconic 2365 01:51:45,350 --> 01:51:42,930 determiner determinative of the deity 2366 01:51:47,740 --> 01:51:45,360 you have you were talking about there 2367 01:51:51,020 --> 01:51:47,750 being many different represents 2368 01:51:53,510 --> 01:51:51,030 representations of segments in Egypt in 2369 01:51:55,490 --> 01:51:53,520 India you can have thousands of the same 2370 01:51:58,160 --> 01:51:55,500 goddess under thousands of different 2371 01:51:59,660 --> 01:51:58,170 names in different localities and the 2372 01:52:01,400 --> 01:51:59,670 way that you sort out 2373 01:52:04,460 --> 01:52:01,410 really talking about is what animals she 2374 01:52:07,250 --> 01:52:04,470 associated with and if you could point 2375 01:52:08,810 --> 01:52:07,260 to the animal that tells you Altima in 2376 01:52:13,580 --> 01:52:08,820 terms of any other frame of reference 2377 01:52:19,310 --> 01:52:13,590 what were they talking about so the 2378 01:52:24,440 --> 01:52:19,320 animals for me are symbolic now having 2379 01:52:26,720 --> 01:52:24,450 said that there is also a dimensionality 2380 01:52:29,630 --> 01:52:26,730 at play in here and a translation that's 2381 01:52:32,780 --> 01:52:29,640 dimensional at play here we know that if 2382 01:52:34,810 --> 01:52:32,790 a person takes ayahuasca let's say that 2383 01:52:38,780 --> 01:52:34,820 they can have visions where they see 2384 01:52:41,060 --> 01:52:38,790 animals headed beings and the symbolism 2385 01:52:44,180 --> 01:52:41,070 of those animal headed beings for what I 2386 01:52:47,780 --> 01:52:44,190 understand or for what I've heard aligns 2387 01:52:48,320 --> 01:52:47,790 with the ancient symbolism for the same 2388 01:52:50,780 --> 01:52:48,330 animal 2389 01:52:54,470 --> 01:52:50,790 Larry could you do a back off of your 2390 01:52:58,000 --> 01:52:54,480 mic just a little bit okay yeah just 2391 01:53:00,530 --> 01:52:58,010 giving a little bit a little breath II 2392 01:53:05,270 --> 01:53:00,540 know that but that is also very 2393 01:53:08,110 --> 01:53:05,280 interesting I have when when I talk 2394 01:53:11,540 --> 01:53:08,120 about things like cave paintings or or 2395 01:53:13,790 --> 01:53:11,550 hieroglyphics or the different symbolism 2396 01:53:17,120 --> 01:53:13,800 around the world somebody out there some 2397 01:53:20,260 --> 01:53:17,130 artisan that is taking the time to carve 2398 01:53:23,210 --> 01:53:20,270 to write to paint to try to preserve 2399 01:53:25,850 --> 01:53:23,220 this message for future generations was 2400 01:53:27,710 --> 01:53:25,860 very important to them to take time out 2401 01:53:31,100 --> 01:53:27,720 of their day like this instead of 2402 01:53:33,710 --> 01:53:31,110 hunting and feeding and survival that 2403 01:53:38,060 --> 01:53:33,720 they needed to take great care about 2404 01:53:40,550 --> 01:53:38,070 what they were presenting to us and so 2405 01:53:42,910 --> 01:53:40,560 when I see some of these animal 2406 01:53:46,040 --> 01:53:42,920 depictions half-human half-animal 2407 01:53:49,250 --> 01:53:46,050 depictions that quite possibly it was 2408 01:53:51,950 --> 01:53:49,260 exactly what they were seeing and they 2409 01:53:54,410 --> 01:53:51,960 were making sure that it was very 2410 01:53:56,600 --> 01:53:54,420 accurate now it turns into oral 2411 01:53:59,150 --> 01:53:56,610 traditions and things that that were 2412 01:54:01,790 --> 01:53:59,160 handed down from the past but yet they 2413 01:54:04,280 --> 01:54:01,800 were seeing something now could it have 2414 01:54:06,500 --> 01:54:04,290 been hallucinogenics and that's possible 2415 01:54:08,450 --> 01:54:06,510 too as well it absolutely could have 2416 01:54:11,510 --> 01:54:08,460 been because we know that these cultures 2417 01:54:14,140 --> 01:54:11,520 were very capable with the pharmacology 2418 01:54:17,210 --> 01:54:14,150 the plants and so forth and there 2419 01:54:19,730 --> 01:54:17,220 their surroundings they understood what 2420 01:54:23,360 --> 01:54:19,740 planted what thing and so absolutely we 2421 01:54:28,210 --> 01:54:23,370 could have drug-induced images from my 2422 01:54:31,300 --> 01:54:28,220 standpoint what those drugs are doing is 2423 01:54:35,270 --> 01:54:31,310 adjusting perception in a certain way 2424 01:54:37,400 --> 01:54:35,280 even this simple as know if you're 2425 01:54:40,160 --> 01:54:37,410 familiar with the passing Seder 2426 01:54:41,720 --> 01:54:40,170 during a Passover Seder in Judaism the 2427 01:54:46,240 --> 01:54:41,730 participants are required to drink four 2428 01:54:48,890 --> 01:54:46,250 glasses of wine now the number four 2429 01:54:51,380 --> 01:54:48,900 symbolically is a dimensional number our 2430 01:54:52,880 --> 01:54:51,390 our universe by the according to the 2431 01:54:56,780 --> 01:54:52,890 Dogon is represented as the fourth of 2432 01:54:59,900 --> 01:54:56,790 seven universes and that number relates 2433 01:55:04,040 --> 01:54:59,910 to four dimensions we have three linear 2434 01:55:05,900 --> 01:55:04,050 dimensions we have time the symbolism of 2435 01:55:08,860 --> 01:55:05,910 those glasses of wine and Judaism is 2436 01:55:12,290 --> 01:55:08,870 that each one takes you a step 2437 01:55:14,510 --> 01:55:12,300 mentioning step away from a strict 2438 01:55:16,970 --> 01:55:14,520 material perspective right and when you 2439 01:55:19,220 --> 01:55:16,980 move to the perspectives in at least one 2440 01:55:21,380 --> 01:55:19,230 of those perspectives you're I'm 2441 01:55:24,440 --> 01:55:21,390 imagining you're seeing this animal 2442 01:55:27,200 --> 01:55:24,450 symbolism and you may actually see it it 2443 01:55:29,900 --> 01:55:27,210 may actually be it translated the way 2444 01:55:33,740 --> 01:55:29,910 that certain images translate from that 2445 01:55:38,360 --> 01:55:33,750 dimensional image and yeah and I agree 2446 01:55:40,310 --> 01:55:38,370 and the other part is some of the animal 2447 01:55:42,230 --> 01:55:40,320 depictions when we're talking about the 2448 01:55:45,970 --> 01:55:42,240 ancient or talking about the gods of 2449 01:55:49,130 --> 01:55:45,980 Egypt are inaccurate there were almost 2450 01:55:50,780 --> 01:55:49,140 general right it could be this it could 2451 01:55:53,210 --> 01:55:50,790 be the head of it it could be that it 2452 01:55:56,150 --> 01:55:53,220 could be both it could be just that but 2453 01:55:58,160 --> 01:55:56,160 it's not accurate and that I find that 2454 01:55:59,590 --> 01:55:58,170 curious too as well I mean what were 2455 01:56:04,430 --> 01:55:59,600 they seeing 2456 01:56:06,110 --> 01:56:04,440 well the cubit as a unit of measure is 2457 01:56:12,740 --> 01:56:06,120 an interesting unit of measure because 2458 01:56:15,770 --> 01:56:12,750 it's not a it it's a relative unit of 2459 01:56:17,450 --> 01:56:15,780 measure not a precise one that different 2460 01:56:19,430 --> 01:56:17,460 cultures had different lengths of cubits 2461 01:56:21,710 --> 01:56:19,440 now there's a reason for that it's 2462 01:56:24,140 --> 01:56:21,720 because what the cubit was originally 2463 01:56:26,839 --> 01:56:24,150 used to measure was the geometry that 2464 01:56:30,229 --> 01:56:26,849 aligns the shrines 2465 01:56:32,979 --> 01:56:30,239 it's sacred geometry basically but the 2466 01:56:35,359 --> 01:56:32,989 geometry works based on the relative 2467 01:56:38,029 --> 01:56:35,369 relationship of the images not there's 2468 01:56:39,500 --> 01:56:38,039 actual size so it doesn't matter if I 2469 01:56:42,080 --> 01:56:39,510 draw one that's a little bigger than 2470 01:56:43,939 --> 01:56:42,090 yours the relationship of the images 2471 01:56:46,399 --> 01:56:43,949 still produces the result we want so you 2472 01:56:49,099 --> 01:56:46,409 didn't need a precise measure where 2473 01:56:52,279 --> 01:56:49,109 everybody's ruler measure the exact of 2474 01:56:54,589 --> 01:56:52,289 the same size foot or yard all you 2475 01:56:56,589 --> 01:56:54,599 needed was a consistent unit of measure 2476 01:56:59,389 --> 01:56:56,599 that would relatively measure these 2477 01:57:02,500 --> 01:56:59,399 existences and so I think the same thing 2478 01:57:05,449 --> 01:57:02,510 is going on there that these images are 2479 01:57:08,419 --> 01:57:05,459 relative not precise and that's a 2480 01:57:10,549 --> 01:57:08,429 concept that that is foreign to a 2481 01:57:12,949 --> 01:57:10,559 scientific mindset and scientific 2482 01:57:14,449 --> 01:57:12,959 mindset if you can't measure it to five 2483 01:57:17,119 --> 01:57:14,459 decimal positions you don't have 2484 01:57:19,159 --> 01:57:17,129 anything very interesting let's take a 2485 01:57:21,469 --> 01:57:19,169 break right here when we come back I'm 2486 01:57:22,729 --> 01:57:21,479 going to hit I mean this is what you're 2487 01:57:24,979 --> 01:57:22,739 going to think about I want your answer 2488 01:57:27,529 --> 01:57:24,989 when we come back after this break the 2489 01:57:30,560 --> 01:57:27,539 question is what came first the Great 2490 01:57:33,439 --> 01:57:30,570 Pyramid or gobekli tepe I'm muting you 2491 01:57:35,270 --> 01:57:33,449 now layer don't answer think about that 2492 01:57:36,739 --> 01:57:35,280 this is fade to black our guest tonight 2493 01:57:38,170 --> 01:57:36,749 lured Scranton Amarillo skipping Church 2494 01:57:38,560 --> 01:57:38,180 we'll be right back stay with us 2495 01:57:41,270 --> 01:57:38,570 [Music] 2496 01:57:45,169 --> 01:57:41,280 [Applause] 2497 01:57:49,340 --> 01:57:45,179 Oh Alfred the mitten God Jimmy Church 2498 01:57:57,860 --> 01:57:53,130 as KCRA digital broadcasting station 2499 01:58:00,330 --> 01:57:57,870 Salt Lake City Utah Van Buren Arkansas 2500 01:58:02,490 --> 01:58:00,340 Manor let's get this man for the ER 2501 01:58:05,070 --> 01:58:02,500 staff right away doctor we see this 2502 01:58:07,080 --> 01:58:05,080 every day heart attack or angina pain 2503 01:58:09,660 --> 01:58:07,090 due to blocked and clogged arteries 2504 01:58:11,610 --> 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02:00:26,560 --> 02:00:24,560 in two NIH funded studies on Alzheimer's 2561 02:00:28,450 --> 02:00:26,570 disease trying to calm and clever for 2562 02:00:30,580 --> 02:00:28,460 two months you'll feel the difference 2563 02:00:32,709 --> 02:00:30,590 goal one eight hundred seventy five 2564 02:00:36,160 --> 02:00:32,719 eight eight seven four six or go to calm 2565 02:00:38,050 --> 02:00:36,170 and clever calm did you know that when 2566 02:00:40,270 --> 02:00:38,060 you're on the road with limited data or 2567 02:00:42,459 --> 02:00:40,280 Wi-Fi available you can still listen to 2568 02:00:44,860 --> 02:00:42,469 every minute a fade to black by just 2569 02:00:47,620 --> 02:00:44,870 calling six oh five five six two four 2570 02:00:50,020 --> 02:00:47,630 four eight two no smartphone app or 2571 02:00:52,209 --> 02:00:50,030 internet needed it saves your data plan 2572 02:00:55,510 --> 02:00:52,219 and no extra cost if you have unlimited 2573 02:00:57,850 --> 02:00:55,520 minutes just call six oh five five six 2574 02:01:00,520 --> 02:00:57,860 two four four eight two you can listen 2575 02:01:13,720 --> 02:01:00,530 to me Jimmy Church on any phone any time 2576 02:01:17,860 --> 02:01:13,730 anywhere gobekli tepe you want to know a 2577 02:01:20,800 --> 02:01:17,870 secret I love all these I really love 2578 02:01:24,430 --> 02:01:20,810 ponies I'm serious I couldn't stay 2579 02:01:27,400 --> 02:01:24,440 sailing without poets to push my fade to 2580 02:01:31,310 --> 02:01:27,410 black because you never got that pony 2581 02:01:37,590 --> 02:01:34,350 this is day 2 black with Jimmy Church on 2582 02:01:42,080 --> 02:01:37,600 the game changer radio network and kgr a 2583 02:01:53,310 --> 02:01:46,410 [Music] 2584 02:01:57,520 --> 02:01:55,330 while you're back fade to black 2585 02:02:00,100 --> 02:01:57,530 our guest tonight Laird Scranton always 2586 02:02:00,729 --> 02:02:00,110 a great animated conversation with with 2587 02:02:03,459 --> 02:02:00,739 Laird 2588 02:02:04,510 --> 02:02:03,469 I learned something every time he's on 2589 02:02:08,109 --> 02:02:04,520 the show I'm not kidding about this 2590 02:02:09,820 --> 02:02:08,119 that's why I do this I walk away from 2591 02:02:11,020 --> 02:02:09,830 shows like this layer I'm just a little 2592 02:02:14,129 --> 02:02:11,030 bit sma'da 2593 02:02:18,160 --> 02:02:14,139 I'm just a little smarter than that 2594 02:02:20,410 --> 02:02:18,170 before the show what came first man what 2595 02:02:23,140 --> 02:02:20,420 do you think came first gobekli tepe or 2596 02:02:25,270 --> 02:02:23,150 the Great Pyramid there's actually a 2597 02:02:27,220 --> 02:02:25,280 very easy answer to that a way to 2598 02:02:29,560 --> 02:02:27,230 understand what the answer is that has 2599 02:02:34,689 --> 02:02:29,570 to do with the symbols and the symbolic 2600 02:02:38,350 --> 02:02:34,699 reversals I'm talking about in at 3000 2601 02:02:43,570 --> 02:02:38,360 BC in various cultures China Egypt other 2602 02:02:47,530 --> 02:02:43,580 places Africa the shape of a circle was 2603 02:02:50,589 --> 02:02:47,540 symbolic of the non-material or the 2604 02:02:53,800 --> 02:02:50,599 heavens the shape of a square was 2605 02:02:55,689 --> 02:02:53,810 symbolic of the earth in archaic times 2606 02:02:58,359 --> 02:02:55,699 the symbolism was the reverse of that 2607 02:03:01,209 --> 02:02:58,369 that the square represented the heavens 2608 02:03:07,330 --> 02:03:01,219 at the circle represented the earth now 2609 02:03:09,629 --> 02:03:07,340 when we look at a Buddhist stupa and the 2610 02:03:12,600 --> 02:03:09,639 matching shrine that the Dogon build 2611 02:03:15,310 --> 02:03:12,610 they are built to the same plan 2612 02:03:17,050 --> 02:03:15,320 geometric land is a series of geometric 2613 02:03:20,470 --> 02:03:17,060 shapes that are evolved in the same 2614 02:03:23,200 --> 02:03:20,480 sequence with the same symbolism but the 2615 02:03:25,839 --> 02:03:23,210 Dogon shrine culminates with a round 2616 02:03:28,120 --> 02:03:25,849 base and a squared roof the Buddhist 2617 02:03:30,910 --> 02:03:28,130 stupa culminates with a squared base and 2618 02:03:33,070 --> 02:03:30,920 a round roof now I know because of the 2619 02:03:35,910 --> 02:03:33,080 way those symbolic reversals work that 2620 02:03:38,500 --> 02:03:35,920 the base which represents the earth 2621 02:03:40,419 --> 02:03:38,510 because it's round on the Dogon shrine 2622 02:03:42,850 --> 02:03:40,429 that's got to be an earlier symbolic 2623 02:03:47,169 --> 02:03:42,860 form than the squared buddha shrine 2624 02:03:49,000 --> 02:03:47,179 buddha supra tried okay okay because the 2625 02:03:51,399 --> 02:03:49,010 reserved reversals happened now go back 2626 02:03:53,979 --> 02:03:51,409 with Teppei what they're placing as 2627 02:03:58,300 --> 02:03:53,989 their base on the earth our circle stone 2628 02:03:59,709 --> 02:03:58,310 circles that's archaic in Egypt when 2629 02:04:02,290 --> 02:03:59,719 they build a pyramid they're building it 2630 02:04:03,669 --> 02:04:02,300 with a squared base that means it has to 2631 02:04:04,629 --> 02:04:03,679 have been built from a symbolic 2632 02:04:06,609 --> 02:04:04,639 standpoint 2633 02:04:07,720 --> 02:04:06,619 sometime after the midpoint of this 2634 02:04:10,180 --> 02:04:07,730 tradition 2635 02:04:14,020 --> 02:04:10,190 now you just reverse this on me three 2636 02:04:16,720 --> 02:04:14,030 times okay so what okay so so because 2637 02:04:19,629 --> 02:04:16,730 because gobekli tepe has a circular base 2638 02:04:22,060 --> 02:04:19,639 and i know that it was built during in 2639 02:04:25,240 --> 02:04:22,070 archaic era that circle is 2640 02:04:28,149 --> 02:04:25,250 representative of the earth and so you 2641 02:04:31,689 --> 02:04:28,159 see the circle on the earth defining the 2642 02:04:33,250 --> 02:04:31,699 earth you get to Egypt the base of the 2643 02:04:36,340 --> 02:04:33,260 structure the pyramid structure is 2644 02:04:40,109 --> 02:04:36,350 squared but you don't use a square to 2645 02:04:43,959 --> 02:04:40,119 represent the earth until after 4000 BC 2646 02:04:46,060 --> 02:04:43,969 so the shape of the structure tells me 2647 02:04:50,680 --> 02:04:46,070 puts limits for me on when it had to 2648 02:04:54,459 --> 02:04:50,690 have been built interesting okay all 2649 02:04:56,850 --> 02:04:54,469 right so then would you use okay so I'm 2650 02:05:00,520 --> 02:04:56,860 saying that from my point of view this 2651 02:05:02,770 --> 02:05:00,530 short of the pyramid having been built a 2652 02:05:04,149 --> 02:05:02,780 full cycle back which I don't think the 2653 02:05:06,760 --> 02:05:04,159 reason why I don't think that's credible 2654 02:05:09,280 --> 02:05:06,770 is because the pyramid is aligned very 2655 02:05:11,919 --> 02:05:09,290 precisely to north south east and west 2656 02:05:15,490 --> 02:05:11,929 if we had the kind of a comet strike 2657 02:05:16,600 --> 02:05:15,500 that Randall Carlson says we had the 2658 02:05:19,030 --> 02:05:16,610 alignment of the earth would have 2659 02:05:21,129 --> 02:05:19,040 changed and so if the pyramid had been 2660 02:05:22,830 --> 02:05:21,139 built before that comet strike it 2661 02:05:26,050 --> 02:05:22,840 wouldn't be in alignment anymore 2662 02:05:28,899 --> 02:05:26,060 why here okay a whole lot of it must 2663 02:05:31,600 --> 02:05:28,909 have been built after the comet strike 2664 02:05:33,609 --> 02:05:31,610 and it has a squared form which as it 2665 02:05:36,220 --> 02:05:33,619 has to have been built after 4000 BC 2666 02:05:39,820 --> 02:05:36,230 okay so now this is where I'm going to 2667 02:05:43,930 --> 02:05:39,830 jump in and suggest something here it is 2668 02:05:46,600 --> 02:05:43,940 too accurate it's too accurate north 2669 02:05:50,530 --> 02:05:46,610 south east and west we can't build with 2670 02:05:54,910 --> 02:05:50,540 laser pointer technology GPS your house 2671 02:05:59,979 --> 02:05:54,920 today is not directly north right it is 2672 02:06:04,120 --> 02:05:59,989 so maybe there was the commonality of 2673 02:06:07,570 --> 02:06:04,130 error built in to the north-south 2674 02:06:11,379 --> 02:06:07,580 east-west orientation and maybe it was 2675 02:06:15,160 --> 02:06:11,389 lined up correctly before the comet 2676 02:06:17,500 --> 02:06:15,170 strike if it had been there's nothing 2677 02:06:17,720 --> 02:06:17,510 that forces the effect of that comet 2678 02:06:33,290 --> 02:06:17,730 that 2679 02:06:35,030 --> 02:06:33,300 into alignment with short short of the 2680 02:06:36,800 --> 02:06:35,040 earth falling back into its own 2681 02:06:38,540 --> 02:06:36,810 alignment which I don't think is a force 2682 02:06:39,680 --> 02:06:38,550 that weather was I supposed to read 2683 02:06:40,970 --> 02:06:39,690 actors that could be a force that pulls 2684 02:06:44,479 --> 02:06:40,980 the earth back into alignment 2685 02:06:47,390 --> 02:06:44,489 I guess suppose it is a possibility but 2686 02:06:49,520 --> 02:06:47,400 from my perspective it looks to me as if 2687 02:06:52,610 --> 02:06:49,530 the symbolism says the pyramid was built 2688 02:06:57,550 --> 02:06:52,620 after 4000 BC the reason why I think it 2689 02:06:59,360 --> 02:06:57,560 was before 4000 BC is the the lack of 2690 02:07:02,030 --> 02:06:59,370 hieroglyphics there which has been 2691 02:07:04,760 --> 02:07:02,040 talked about you know to too much we 2692 02:07:06,800 --> 02:07:04,770 don't need to go there but I think it 2693 02:07:11,060 --> 02:07:06,810 was a hand-me-down it was a secondhand 2694 02:07:15,350 --> 02:07:11,070 monument the the dynastic period entered 2695 02:07:17,450 --> 02:07:15,360 3000 BC men a everybody went upper and 2696 02:07:19,729 --> 02:07:17,460 lower egypt unite and when they got 2697 02:07:22,510 --> 02:07:19,739 those pyramids were already sitting in 2698 02:07:25,850 --> 02:07:22,520 the background they were already there I 2699 02:07:28,070 --> 02:07:25,860 really really feel that otherwise there 2700 02:07:30,500 --> 02:07:28,080 would be hieroglyphics all over the Giza 2701 02:07:32,270 --> 02:07:30,510 Plateau and this is the other thing 2702 02:07:35,450 --> 02:07:32,280 that's perplexing to me and you're a 2703 02:07:38,470 --> 02:07:35,460 symbolist guy you understand symbolism 2704 02:07:42,950 --> 02:07:38,480 more than anybody on this planet 2705 02:07:46,520 --> 02:07:42,960 is this there is the lack of pyramids in 2706 02:07:49,790 --> 02:07:46,530 hieroglyphics papyrus and otherwise all 2707 02:07:52,580 --> 02:07:49,800 ovaries it just it doesn't exist why was 2708 02:07:55,250 --> 02:07:52,590 not the most important thing in the 2709 02:07:58,160 --> 02:07:55,260 history of mankind not only Egypt but on 2710 02:08:00,080 --> 02:07:58,170 this planet being the Great Pyramid not 2711 02:08:02,780 --> 02:08:00,090 be represented anywhere you would think 2712 02:08:04,580 --> 02:08:02,790 that they would have agree that that's 2713 02:08:07,479 --> 02:08:04,590 very odd that that we don't have 2714 02:08:09,740 --> 02:08:07,489 surviving images of it although if 2715 02:08:10,670 --> 02:08:09,750 unless those surviving images were 2716 02:08:13,880 --> 02:08:10,680 carved into stone 2717 02:08:15,530 --> 02:08:13,890 they wouldn't have survived from what I 2718 02:08:18,290 --> 02:08:15,540 understand we wouldn't know that there 2719 02:08:21,200 --> 02:08:18,300 was ever a skyscraper in New York City 2720 02:08:22,910 --> 02:08:21,210 5,000 years from now except for whatever 2721 02:08:26,510 --> 02:08:22,920 pieces of it were made of stone the 2722 02:08:28,430 --> 02:08:26,520 metal is going to be gone so the lack of 2723 02:08:31,320 --> 02:08:28,440 evidence doesn't necessarily say 2724 02:08:33,000 --> 02:08:31,330 anything I agree that it looks like that 2725 02:08:35,460 --> 02:08:33,010 Great Pyramid in particular was built 2726 02:08:37,860 --> 02:08:35,470 before writing but writing the appear 2727 02:08:41,100 --> 02:08:37,870 until 3,000 BC so we still have a 2728 02:08:43,680 --> 02:08:41,110 thousand year play between when the 2729 02:08:46,290 --> 02:08:43,690 symbolism says to me it it had there 2730 02:08:47,550 --> 02:08:46,300 been built after 4000 BC but the lack of 2731 02:08:50,430 --> 02:08:47,560 writing said it was probably built 2732 02:08:51,930 --> 02:08:50,440 before 3,000 BC right and what yes yes 2733 02:08:55,110 --> 02:08:51,940 and when you look at the Valley of the 2734 02:08:59,970 --> 02:08:55,120 Kings obviously they didn't have any 2735 02:09:02,670 --> 02:08:59,980 issues of in those burial chambers where 2736 02:09:05,280 --> 02:09:02,680 the sarcophagus lied where the fair the 2737 02:09:09,390 --> 02:09:05,290 mummies were in state they had no 2738 02:09:12,900 --> 02:09:09,400 problem floor to ceiling covering every 2739 02:09:15,120 --> 02:09:12,910 square inch with something agree and if 2740 02:09:16,740 --> 02:09:15,130 there had been a system of writing at 2741 02:09:18,360 --> 02:09:16,750 the time the pyramid was built we would 2742 02:09:20,550 --> 02:09:18,370 expect to find some kind of writing in 2743 02:09:24,690 --> 02:09:20,560 it and there was a system of writing if 2744 02:09:28,980 --> 02:09:24,700 you go back to a men a if you go all the 2745 02:09:31,460 --> 02:09:28,990 way back to the original burial mounds 2746 02:09:34,140 --> 02:09:31,470 that were there there are plenty of 2747 02:09:37,890 --> 02:09:34,150 what's the word I don't want a brain 2748 02:09:40,530 --> 02:09:37,900 freeze here tabs right they had a 2749 02:09:44,610 --> 02:09:40,540 written language going back to 3,000 BC 2750 02:09:46,830 --> 02:09:44,620 they were marking things then well they 2751 02:09:48,870 --> 02:09:46,840 had a they had a they had symbolism and 2752 02:09:52,410 --> 02:09:48,880 a written language back then that even 2753 02:09:54,750 --> 02:09:52,420 predated ancient Sumer right so that's 2754 02:09:57,450 --> 02:09:54,760 right well I mean it looks like we had 2755 02:09:59,520 --> 02:09:57,460 at least proto-writing by a 3,000 BC I 2756 02:10:00,630 --> 02:09:59,530 mean there they can't even stay for 2757 02:10:02,730 --> 02:10:00,640 certain that some of the pre-dynastic 2758 02:10:05,220 --> 02:10:02,740 things don't represent the system of 2759 02:10:09,030 --> 02:10:05,230 writing it just did they can't prove it 2760 02:10:10,940 --> 02:10:09,040 no they can't but and so again back to 2761 02:10:12,990 --> 02:10:10,950 my reasoning here this is why 2762 02:10:14,910 --> 02:10:13,000 Egyptologists are wrong and that's why 2763 02:10:18,030 --> 02:10:14,920 easy apologists fight amongst themselves 2764 02:10:20,310 --> 02:10:18,040 too as well there is no standard here 2765 02:10:23,400 --> 02:10:20,320 you can't even tend to agree with each 2766 02:10:26,400 --> 02:10:23,410 other but is this so if you if you 2767 02:10:29,220 --> 02:10:26,410 advanced off the 3100 BC upper lower 2768 02:10:31,890 --> 02:10:29,230 egypt united and you're going with let's 2769 02:10:34,470 --> 02:10:31,900 say men as of right at that point three 2770 02:10:37,080 --> 02:10:34,480 hundred and fifty years later twenty 650 2771 02:10:39,630 --> 02:10:37,090 BC three hundred years later three 2772 02:10:41,970 --> 02:10:39,640 hundred fifty years later they there was 2773 02:10:45,100 --> 02:10:41,980 already system of writing in place so 2774 02:10:50,520 --> 02:10:45,110 there they had all of the opportunity 2775 02:10:53,740 --> 02:10:50,530 to litter the the the Giza Plateau with 2776 02:10:56,830 --> 02:10:53,750 something marking the dating of what was 2777 02:11:01,120 --> 02:10:56,840 going on why they marked all of those 2778 02:11:04,450 --> 02:11:01,130 years by name by name right the most 2779 02:11:05,860 --> 02:11:04,460 important the event of each year was the 2780 02:11:08,830 --> 02:11:05,870 name of the year they didn't have 2781 02:11:11,860 --> 02:11:08,840 numbers but they had names why wasn't 2782 02:11:14,890 --> 02:11:11,870 the year 26 50 BC the year of the Great 2783 02:11:17,050 --> 02:11:14,900 Pyramid I'm just saying somebody help 2784 02:11:19,840 --> 02:11:17,060 you write a lot of interesting 2785 02:11:21,880 --> 02:11:19,850 unanswered questions absolutely and I 2786 02:11:23,080 --> 02:11:21,890 agree that this absolutely an open 2787 02:11:26,890 --> 02:11:23,090 question as to when these things were 2788 02:11:29,140 --> 02:11:26,900 built and you asked two researchers and 2789 02:11:32,590 --> 02:11:29,150 you get compelling reasons why a 2790 02:11:34,510 --> 02:11:32,600 different answer applies so it these 2791 02:11:36,130 --> 02:11:34,520 these are real hard questions I'm at 2792 02:11:38,490 --> 02:11:36,140 Nightingale friend of mine is a person 2793 02:11:41,020 --> 02:11:38,500 who is a proponent of trying to get a 2794 02:11:43,360 --> 02:11:41,030 bunt number of researchers in a room 2795 02:11:45,220 --> 02:11:43,370 together for a weekend and and focus on 2796 02:11:49,720 --> 02:11:45,230 a single question and try to hash out a 2797 02:11:51,130 --> 02:11:49,730 common view yeah yeah yeah we tells me 2798 02:11:52,090 --> 02:11:51,140 they'd end up with half of the 2799 02:11:56,680 --> 02:11:52,100 researchers dead 2800 02:12:00,220 --> 02:11:56,690 oh but especially if I'm there I mean 2801 02:12:02,080 --> 02:12:00,230 and the reason an edge research I swear 2802 02:12:04,000 --> 02:12:02,090 I layered I hope he's listening right 2803 02:12:18,150 --> 02:12:04,010 now has floored me 2804 02:12:18,160 --> 02:12:21,340 unrealistic 2805 02:12:27,550 --> 02:12:24,310 that book we could see that the material 2806 02:12:29,650 --> 02:12:27,560 that he had was was so essential I mean 2807 02:12:31,690 --> 02:12:29,660 he'd made presentations on earth at CPAC 2808 02:12:34,990 --> 02:12:31,700 and places like that it just absolutely 2809 02:12:36,700 --> 02:12:35,000 top-notch stuff and it dovetails with a 2810 02:12:40,990 --> 02:12:36,710 number of things that I had looked into 2811 02:12:42,970 --> 02:12:41,000 so we were really happy to be friendly 2812 02:12:45,190 --> 02:12:42,980 enough with him to be asked to help him 2813 02:12:48,160 --> 02:12:45,200 put that book together plus he's so 2814 02:12:50,140 --> 02:12:48,170 humble right he you know I'm like dude 2815 02:12:52,570 --> 02:12:50,150 man you're freaking me out hey man I'm 2816 02:12:55,180 --> 02:12:52,580 just a guy man just like you I just know 2817 02:12:57,610 --> 02:12:55,190 that he is a master wood carver that he 2818 02:12:58,110 --> 02:12:57,620 has restored artifacts for the Vatican I 2819 02:13:01,430 --> 02:12:58,120 know 2820 02:13:04,890 --> 02:13:01,440 oh he's so humble man just so humble uh 2821 02:13:07,830 --> 02:13:04,900 no Edie Zed is a true game changer in 2822 02:13:10,290 --> 02:13:07,840 every sense of the word and his research 2823 02:13:12,600 --> 02:13:10,300 is not going to go away it's gonna it's 2824 02:13:15,210 --> 02:13:12,610 gonna continue to piss people off and 2825 02:13:17,220 --> 02:13:15,220 ruffle feathers I'm being serious I'm 2826 02:13:19,890 --> 02:13:17,230 being serious I'm not knighted you know 2827 02:13:21,810 --> 02:13:19,900 he's been working from satellite images 2828 02:13:24,300 --> 02:13:21,820 that are accurate to centimeters they've 2829 02:13:27,030 --> 02:13:24,310 adjusted for parallax's our military 2830 02:13:28,890 --> 02:13:27,040 satellite images of the Giza Plateau and 2831 02:13:32,010 --> 02:13:28,900 one of the things that came out of his 2832 02:13:34,730 --> 02:13:32,020 studies was that every major survey that 2833 02:13:37,500 --> 02:13:34,740 was ever done of the Giza Plateau 2834 02:13:40,440 --> 02:13:37,510 grossly missed states certain dimensions 2835 02:13:42,810 --> 02:13:40,450 certain key dimensions that he needed to 2836 02:13:44,160 --> 02:13:42,820 be able to sort things out the guy who 2837 02:13:46,800 --> 02:13:44,170 did the measuring of each of these 2838 02:13:50,280 --> 02:13:46,810 surveys of a plateau for one reason or 2839 02:13:52,410 --> 02:13:50,290 another grossly misstated certain of 2840 02:13:55,410 --> 02:13:52,420 these dimensions and he can demonstrate 2841 02:13:59,580 --> 02:13:55,420 it from the photographic images but just 2842 02:14:02,640 --> 02:13:59,590 it makes you wonder from site to site 2843 02:14:04,650 --> 02:14:02,650 how much Liberty resin tation there has 2844 02:14:07,230 --> 02:14:04,660 been done in the material that we work 2845 02:14:09,420 --> 02:14:07,240 from what do you think is going to be 2846 02:14:12,870 --> 02:14:09,430 the straw that breaks the camel's back 2847 02:14:15,930 --> 02:14:12,880 here when history is definitely going to 2848 02:14:18,000 --> 02:14:15,940 have to be rewritten if if some of the 2849 02:14:20,910 --> 02:14:18,010 even one little piece of your 2850 02:14:24,480 --> 02:14:20,920 information or john anthony wes or shock 2851 02:14:27,930 --> 02:14:24,490 or hancock above all or at nightingale 2852 02:14:30,420 --> 02:14:27,940 one little thing if it breaks and is 2853 02:14:31,770 --> 02:14:30,430 proven then everything else right it's 2854 02:14:33,480 --> 02:14:31,780 going to be the domino principle 2855 02:14:36,150 --> 02:14:33,490 everything is going to fall over but 2856 02:14:38,970 --> 02:14:36,160 that means a lot of books have to be 2857 02:14:42,810 --> 02:14:38,980 reprinted right the education system 2858 02:14:45,000 --> 02:14:42,820 needs to history needs it is a big big 2859 02:14:47,160 --> 02:14:45,010 deal but something is going to do this 2860 02:14:49,680 --> 02:14:47,170 what is that piece that you think is 2861 02:14:51,720 --> 02:14:49,690 going to flip this thing over that's 2862 02:14:55,380 --> 02:14:51,730 very very hard to say what will actually 2863 02:14:58,590 --> 02:14:55,390 turn the tide because and how you how 2864 02:15:00,570 --> 02:14:58,600 you perceive the tide as turning right 2865 02:15:02,820 --> 02:15:00,580 now we have one of the questions I get 2866 02:15:05,190 --> 02:15:02,830 asked all the time is what traditional 2867 02:15:07,560 --> 02:15:05,200 researchers think of my work and I laugh 2868 02:15:08,820 --> 02:15:07,570 because there's not a single traditional 2869 02:15:10,680 --> 02:15:08,830 researcher who has any respect 2870 02:15:13,590 --> 02:15:10,690 whatsoever for any of my work 2871 02:15:16,650 --> 02:15:13,600 but that doesn't matter to me because we 2872 02:15:18,300 --> 02:15:16,660 have a vibrant community of alternative 2873 02:15:19,950 --> 02:15:18,310 researchers who are making their own 2874 02:15:21,660 --> 02:15:19,960 headway without regard to the 2875 02:15:24,240 --> 02:15:21,670 independent or the the traditional 2876 02:15:26,729 --> 02:15:24,250 researchers so it's really a moot point 2877 02:15:28,890 --> 02:15:26,739 to us whether they ever get on board 2878 02:15:32,100 --> 02:15:28,900 with it or not so when we talk about the 2879 02:15:34,530 --> 02:15:32,110 tide turning for one perspective you're 2880 02:15:36,209 --> 02:15:34,540 saying what's going to cause traditional 2881 02:15:39,300 --> 02:15:36,219 research is to accept the this other 2882 02:15:41,250 --> 02:15:39,310 body of work that will happen the 2883 02:15:43,590 --> 02:15:41,260 gobekli tepe has been a step in that 2884 02:15:46,410 --> 02:15:43,600 mode on to accept that there are where 2885 02:15:48,840 --> 02:15:46,420 have been earlier cultures than at the 2886 02:15:51,720 --> 02:15:48,850 time at the space you know what's so 2887 02:15:53,810 --> 02:15:51,730 brilliant about gobekli tepe oh by the 2888 02:15:56,790 --> 02:15:53,820 way I'm just gonna let you know our 2889 02:15:59,100 --> 02:15:56,800 audience which is vast and large one of 2890 02:16:02,670 --> 02:15:59,110 the biggest every time somebody says 2891 02:16:06,810 --> 02:16:02,680 gobekli tepe on the show they drink so 2892 02:16:08,310 --> 02:16:06,820 by now our audience is plowed so we can 2893 02:16:10,310 --> 02:16:08,320 say whatever we haven't noticed me 2894 02:16:13,140 --> 02:16:10,320 slurring my words yes you're right 2895 02:16:13,890 --> 02:16:13,150 there's like Laird keep going usually 2896 02:16:17,760 --> 02:16:13,900 see to whatever 2897 02:16:19,800 --> 02:16:17,770 so buddy this is what is fantastic and 2898 02:16:22,950 --> 02:16:19,810 wrong about gobekli tepe at the same 2899 02:16:28,050 --> 02:16:22,960 time quite simply we have been told 2900 02:16:31,650 --> 02:16:28,060 forever that 3,000 BC was it before then 2901 02:16:32,850 --> 02:16:31,660 nada nothing that's it everything 2902 02:16:35,339 --> 02:16:32,860 happened there whether it was 2903 02:16:39,240 --> 02:16:35,349 Mesopotamia or ancient Egypt and and 2904 02:16:41,219 --> 02:16:39,250 even Mesopotamia is not talked about all 2905 02:16:44,129 --> 02:16:41,229 the focus has always been on ancient 2906 02:16:46,219 --> 02:16:44,139 Egypt in the dating their Sumer has not 2907 02:16:50,400 --> 02:16:46,229 really talked about right so anyway 2908 02:16:53,219 --> 02:16:50,410 3,000 BC now gobekli tepe is not 4,000 2909 02:16:55,589 --> 02:16:53,229 BC it's not 5 it's not 6 2910 02:16:58,890 --> 02:16:55,599 it's that 7 we're talking about a 12 2911 02:17:02,310 --> 02:16:58,900 thousand year old plus site that goes 2912 02:17:05,820 --> 02:17:02,320 back now to officially dating at around 2913 02:17:07,620 --> 02:17:05,830 10,000 BC or possibly older it simply 2914 02:17:10,500 --> 02:17:07,630 was not supposed to exist 2915 02:17:14,700 --> 02:17:10,510 now isn't that the game changer why is 2916 02:17:17,160 --> 02:17:14,710 it gobekli tepe on CNN why isn't it the 2917 02:17:18,900 --> 02:17:17,170 headline news around the world why isn't 2918 02:17:21,839 --> 02:17:18,910 this the most biggest news in the 2919 02:17:23,190 --> 02:17:21,849 history of mankind I don't yet it really 2920 02:17:26,160 --> 02:17:23,200 should be because 2921 02:17:27,300 --> 02:17:26,170 a lot of the key pieces or the potential 2922 02:17:32,130 --> 02:17:27,310 for a lot of the key pieces fall into 2923 02:17:34,920 --> 02:17:32,140 place simply because of exists going 2924 02:17:36,660 --> 02:17:34,930 much further than that it's tricky 2925 02:17:38,730 --> 02:17:36,670 because the ice age sort of wipes out 2926 02:17:41,940 --> 02:17:38,740 any trail of evidence so it's hard to 2927 02:17:42,990 --> 02:17:41,950 connect things before that but I think 2928 02:17:44,760 --> 02:17:43,000 there are all sorts of things that are 2929 02:17:50,520 --> 02:17:44,770 going to turn up and what the 2930 02:17:52,350 --> 02:17:50,530 game-changer depends on the expectation 2931 02:17:55,880 --> 02:17:52,360 that one of those things will turn up in 2932 02:17:58,680 --> 02:17:55,890 the hands of a researcher who is as 2933 02:18:02,130 --> 02:17:58,690 genuinely honest as the researchers have 2934 02:18:06,420 --> 02:18:02,140 say the 1800s I tend to prefer sources 2935 02:18:08,100 --> 02:18:06,430 that were before 1940 because I have 2936 02:18:09,810 --> 02:18:08,110 confidence that those researchers are 2937 02:18:12,390 --> 02:18:09,820 giving me the straight scoop about what 2938 02:18:14,880 --> 02:18:12,400 they've discovered I'm not confident at 2939 02:18:16,830 --> 02:18:14,890 the farther pass 1940 we get the less 2940 02:18:21,660 --> 02:18:16,840 competent I am getting the truth from 2941 02:18:25,470 --> 02:18:21,670 the researchers a lot of the evidence to 2942 02:18:26,970 --> 02:18:25,480 my way of thinking existed in the area 2943 02:18:28,440 --> 02:18:26,980 of land in southern Egypt that was 2944 02:18:33,540 --> 02:18:28,450 covered up when they build the Aswan Dam 2945 02:18:35,190 --> 02:18:33,550 mm-hmm now they reject ologists have had 2946 02:18:36,840 --> 02:18:35,200 had to have known that that was a 2947 02:18:40,590 --> 02:18:36,850 critical region that shouldn't be 2948 02:18:42,330 --> 02:18:40,600 covered and yet didn't raise the kind of 2949 02:18:45,570 --> 02:18:42,340 stink you would expect to stop it from 2950 02:18:47,820 --> 02:18:45,580 being covered yeah right right right 2951 02:18:51,570 --> 02:18:47,830 right right and when we look at when we 2952 02:18:55,140 --> 02:18:51,580 talk about it's one thing to reference 2953 02:18:59,370 --> 02:18:55,150 ancient Egypt at 3,000 BC about Stone 2954 02:19:02,030 --> 02:18:59,380 Age man and how we come off of that that 2955 02:19:04,680 --> 02:19:02,040 age suddenly we have an upright 2956 02:19:08,640 --> 02:19:04,690 civilization that knows about farming 2957 02:19:11,130 --> 02:19:08,650 and and and geometry and mathematics and 2958 02:19:12,630 --> 02:19:11,140 architecture and engineering and and 2959 02:19:16,290 --> 02:19:12,640 everything else and they were able to 2960 02:19:19,110 --> 02:19:16,300 build that without steel or or the wheel 2961 02:19:21,540 --> 02:19:19,120 okay that's that's pretty fantastical in 2962 02:19:23,970 --> 02:19:21,550 its own right because it it creates more 2963 02:19:28,020 --> 02:19:23,980 questions than it answers but if you 2964 02:19:31,080 --> 02:19:28,030 take that same statement that that 2965 02:19:33,120 --> 02:19:31,090 historians will give us and you apply 2966 02:19:34,620 --> 02:19:33,130 that to gobekli tepe that is seven 2967 02:19:36,510 --> 02:19:34,630 thousand years older 2968 02:19:39,270 --> 02:19:36,520 wait a minute here now we 2969 02:19:42,720 --> 02:19:39,280 got a real problem because coming off of 2970 02:19:46,050 --> 02:19:42,730 the Ice Age that there wasn't anything 2971 02:19:48,090 --> 02:19:46,060 there allegedly according to them that 2972 02:19:51,991 --> 02:19:48,100 would present that kind of knowledge to 2973 02:19:54,360 --> 02:19:52,001 quarry to carve to think in 3d to do 2974 02:19:55,711 --> 02:19:54,370 that kind of artistic that the artwork 2975 02:19:58,770 --> 02:19:55,721 at gobekli tepe 2976 02:20:02,701 --> 02:19:58,780 is stunning stunning it's stunning by 2977 02:20:04,951 --> 02:20:02,711 today's standards right it is and in 2978 02:20:08,301 --> 02:20:04,961 that exact same region of the world in 2979 02:20:12,360 --> 02:20:08,311 that same era you see the first 2980 02:20:16,381 --> 02:20:12,370 cultivated green the first animal 2981 02:20:21,030 --> 02:20:16,391 husbandry the first metallurgy arguably 2982 02:20:24,780 --> 02:20:21,040 the first ships you certainly have the 2983 02:20:27,600 --> 02:20:24,790 stonework you looks like we have the the 2984 02:20:29,161 --> 02:20:27,610 basis of a proto written language all 2985 02:20:30,961 --> 02:20:29,171 sorts of really interesting things 2986 02:20:34,230 --> 02:20:30,971 happening all in that one era in that 2987 02:20:35,881 --> 02:20:34,240 one place and it centers on all the same 2988 02:20:37,770 --> 02:20:35,891 skills that people Eiffel Dogen and the 2989 02:20:41,131 --> 02:20:37,780 Buddhist is saying were instructed to us 2990 02:20:43,890 --> 02:20:41,141 that's right so so it's in keeping with 2991 02:20:46,650 --> 02:20:43,900 the mythical outlook whether it proves 2992 02:20:49,291 --> 02:20:46,660 it or not is another question and I and 2993 02:20:52,140 --> 02:20:49,301 you know what else and I love talking to 2994 02:20:58,440 --> 02:20:52,150 Robert Schoch about this because he gets 2995 02:21:01,560 --> 02:20:58,450 it I don't know why if a man is not even 2996 02:21:04,470 --> 02:21:01,570 more famous than the the Great Pyramid 2997 02:21:08,671 --> 02:21:04,480 yes that is one of the most stunning 2998 02:21:11,820 --> 02:21:08,681 pieces of sculpture on this planet again 2999 02:21:14,461 --> 02:21:11,830 hidden away in a museum not talked about 3000 02:21:15,780 --> 02:21:14,471 it should be the first thing that is 3001 02:21:17,791 --> 02:21:15,790 brought up when we talk about the 3002 02:21:20,461 --> 02:21:17,801 history of everything that's right 3003 02:21:24,741 --> 02:21:20,471 imagine a hunter-gatherer conceiving of 3004 02:21:29,190 --> 02:21:24,751 that and making mistakes to six fingers 3005 02:21:32,280 --> 02:21:29,200 great that's great you go I keep I keep 3006 02:21:35,070 --> 02:21:32,290 bringing this up if you are going to 3007 02:21:37,860 --> 02:21:35,080 take the time or a man now they're 3008 02:21:41,131 --> 02:21:37,870 dating that with with crazy numbers 3009 02:21:44,100 --> 02:21:41,141 right so let's talk about that and let's 3010 02:21:46,650 --> 02:21:44,110 say 10,000 BC let's do it's just a round 3011 02:21:50,320 --> 02:21:46,660 number you have other things to worry 3012 02:21:54,070 --> 02:21:50,330 about back then like fighting off animal 3013 02:21:56,849 --> 02:21:54,080 right keeping your family alive getting 3014 02:22:00,809 --> 02:21:56,859 up in the more surviving the night 3015 02:22:05,320 --> 02:22:00,819 waking up in the morning and then eating 3016 02:22:08,469 --> 02:22:05,330 but during that period layer of that 3017 02:22:10,960 --> 02:22:08,479 somebody is carving this beautiful 3018 02:22:13,960 --> 02:22:10,970 sculpture taking the time to do that and 3019 02:22:16,300 --> 02:22:13,970 making the mistake of a wrong finger 3020 02:22:18,639 --> 02:22:16,310 count yeah now that doesn't make sense 3021 02:22:20,800 --> 02:22:18,649 it doesn't it doesn't so what's actually 3022 02:22:23,889 --> 02:22:20,810 going on here was it eartha man was an 3023 02:22:25,510 --> 02:22:23,899 earth alien man right I mean there's 3024 02:22:27,940 --> 02:22:25,520 certainly enough images you know 3025 02:22:30,760 --> 02:22:27,950 somebody was saying that gee if there 3026 02:22:33,010 --> 02:22:30,770 were traditional traditional sci-fi 3027 02:22:34,719 --> 02:22:33,020 alien type contacts in ancient time why 3028 02:22:37,000 --> 02:22:34,729 don't any of the entry cultures talk 3029 02:22:39,670 --> 02:22:37,010 about it and the response to it was 3030 02:22:43,570 --> 02:22:39,680 that's practically all they talked about 3031 02:22:46,059 --> 02:22:43,580 we talked about how many angels and 3032 02:22:50,170 --> 02:22:46,069 demons and gods and knowledge from the 3033 02:22:52,510 --> 02:22:50,180 stars do you need me that's all he 3034 02:22:54,340 --> 02:22:52,520 talked about that's a really really 3035 02:22:56,349 --> 02:22:54,350 really good point one of these days I 3036 02:22:59,260 --> 02:22:56,359 can't wait one of these days we're going 3037 02:23:02,170 --> 02:22:59,270 to be able to sit down and break bread 3038 02:23:05,639 --> 02:23:02,180 and have a couple of drinks and really 3039 02:23:09,370 --> 02:23:05,649 have a very in-depth conversation now 3040 02:23:11,650 --> 02:23:09,380 and I welcome that I can't wait but let 3041 02:23:13,630 --> 02:23:11,660 me let me kind of end on this note you 3042 02:23:17,620 --> 02:23:13,640 have been dealing with this for so many 3043 02:23:20,889 --> 02:23:17,630 years why suppress the information is it 3044 02:23:23,500 --> 02:23:20,899 something that we cannot handle is there 3045 02:23:27,820 --> 02:23:23,510 a reason behind it or do they know quite 3046 02:23:29,559 --> 02:23:27,830 simply that there is a prehistory to man 3047 02:23:32,590 --> 02:23:29,569 that they know about but they just don't 3048 02:23:37,719 --> 02:23:32,600 want to share that with us why why hide 3049 02:23:41,440 --> 02:23:37,729 it and or why fight it is probably the 3050 02:23:43,929 --> 02:23:41,450 better question why fight it there there 3051 02:23:47,880 --> 02:23:43,939 are combination of things going on at 3052 02:23:50,050 --> 02:23:47,890 the simple level it comes down to 3053 02:23:52,389 --> 02:23:50,060 reputations of academics who have a 3054 02:23:55,179 --> 02:23:52,399 theory that it would be severely 3055 02:23:56,770 --> 02:23:55,189 embarrassed info which was shown not to 3056 02:24:01,840 --> 02:23:56,780 be true that's a very simplistic level 3057 02:24:03,639 --> 02:24:01,850 on a more complicated level well we can 3058 02:24:06,550 --> 02:24:03,649 if you 3059 02:24:08,920 --> 02:24:06,560 consider that the length of time between 3060 02:24:11,769 --> 02:24:08,930 the Wright brothers first flight and the 3061 02:24:13,750 --> 02:24:11,779 invention of the space shuttle is about 3062 02:24:15,370 --> 02:24:13,760 the same length of time as between the 3063 02:24:19,090 --> 02:24:15,380 invention of the space shuttle and now 3064 02:24:21,340 --> 02:24:19,100 and during that second period we've seen 3065 02:24:23,260 --> 02:24:21,350 quantum improvement that every kind of a 3066 02:24:25,330 --> 02:24:23,270 device and electronic device and every 3067 02:24:27,989 --> 02:24:25,340 technology on the planet has gone 3068 02:24:31,029 --> 02:24:27,999 through exponential improvement except 3069 02:24:33,219 --> 02:24:31,039 space technology which should have been 3070 02:24:36,609 --> 02:24:33,229 the priority right right we're working 3071 02:24:38,769 --> 02:24:36,619 with the the vehicle that talked about 3072 02:24:41,229 --> 02:24:38,779 sending to Mars that they trembled out 3073 02:24:43,210 --> 02:24:41,239 the Orion vehicle isn't two feet off the 3074 02:24:45,429 --> 02:24:43,220 mark of what the Apollo capsule was it 3075 02:24:49,689 --> 02:24:45,439 isn't two feet off the mark of what the 3076 02:24:51,849 --> 02:24:49,699 Space Shuttle was so clearly there have 3077 02:24:53,649 --> 02:24:51,859 been similar kinds of improvements in 3078 02:24:56,859 --> 02:24:53,659 space technology but the public doesn't 3079 02:24:59,319 --> 02:24:56,869 know a thing about and that says that 3080 02:25:02,559 --> 02:24:59,329 science is being conducted on two levels 3081 02:25:07,569 --> 02:25:02,569 one for private use and one for public 3082 02:25:09,279 --> 02:25:07,579 and this the truth about the situation 3083 02:25:12,250 --> 02:25:09,289 here with these ancient studies I think 3084 02:25:14,290 --> 02:25:12,260 also falls into that category that the 3085 02:25:17,319 --> 02:25:14,300 groups that benefit by having private 3086 02:25:19,630 --> 02:25:17,329 developments in science also benefit by 3087 02:25:23,769 --> 02:25:19,640 having this information not come to the 3088 02:25:25,210 --> 02:25:23,779 surface and is that an is that reason 3089 02:25:27,609 --> 02:25:25,220 enough in your eyes I know you're going 3090 02:25:33,670 --> 02:25:27,619 to say no but is that does that validate 3091 02:25:36,130 --> 02:25:33,680 anything I mean I can see especially if 3092 02:25:39,699 --> 02:25:36,140 it started out in a wartime mentality 3093 02:25:42,849 --> 02:25:39,709 that there's a military rationale for 3094 02:25:43,420 --> 02:25:42,859 not letting technology out right right 3095 02:25:47,199 --> 02:25:43,430 right 3096 02:25:49,389 --> 02:25:47,209 yeah it's depressing to me I we're 3097 02:25:52,449 --> 02:25:49,399 fighting this all the time and see this 3098 02:25:54,909 --> 02:25:52,459 is this is what's really trippy is you 3099 02:25:57,489 --> 02:25:54,919 get it I get it our guests get it our 3100 02:26:00,340 --> 02:25:57,499 audience gets it we don't we don't fight 3101 02:26:04,239 --> 02:26:00,350 it we we want the knowledge bring it to 3102 02:26:07,029 --> 02:26:04,249 us we are smart enough to figure it out 3103 02:26:10,300 --> 02:26:07,039 on our own if it's too fantastical okay 3104 02:26:13,420 --> 02:26:10,310 whatever we we can flush it out on our 3105 02:26:15,159 --> 02:26:13,430 own we're okay with it and I think the 3106 02:26:16,580 --> 02:26:15,169 rest of the world would be too I don't 3107 02:26:19,190 --> 02:26:16,590 understand 3108 02:26:21,921 --> 02:26:19,200 the the fight the the oppression and 3109 02:26:26,091 --> 02:26:21,931 suppression at the same time right I 3110 02:26:28,040 --> 02:26:26,101 know also when I was a freshman at 3111 02:26:29,720 --> 02:26:28,050 Vassar College the first person I heard 3112 02:26:32,870 --> 02:26:29,730 speak on campus was Margaret Mead 3113 02:26:34,881 --> 02:26:32,880 Margaret Mead is the person who provided 3114 02:26:37,330 --> 02:26:34,891 the military with the rationale for why 3115 02:26:40,790 --> 02:26:37,340 they should not reveal the truth about 3116 02:26:44,570 --> 02:26:40,800 UFO contacts if there is a truth she 3117 02:26:46,341 --> 02:26:44,580 said that every culture that has come 3118 02:26:49,160 --> 02:26:46,351 face to face with the superior culture 3119 02:26:51,890 --> 02:26:49,170 really really bad things happen to them 3120 02:26:53,600 --> 02:26:51,900 and that if we don't want those bad 3121 02:26:56,211 --> 02:26:53,610 things happening in our culture that 3122 02:26:59,060 --> 02:26:56,221 would the government needed to keep this 3123 02:27:02,360 --> 02:26:59,070 stuff secret yeah I can argue that all 3124 02:27:04,671 --> 02:27:02,370 day long I can argue that all day long 3125 02:27:06,860 --> 02:27:04,681 there's a little bit of truth to that if 3126 02:27:09,620 --> 02:27:06,870 you want to bring up Columbus or Balboa 3127 02:27:12,770 --> 02:27:09,630 or some other you know things and 3128 02:27:15,230 --> 02:27:12,780 Spanish ships coming across the Atlantic 3129 02:27:17,330 --> 02:27:15,240 okay there was something to that the 3130 02:27:19,761 --> 02:27:17,340 other part of that is which is obvious 3131 02:27:22,910 --> 02:27:19,771 if they wanted to do something bad it 3132 02:27:24,140 --> 02:27:22,920 would have already been done right but I 3133 02:27:27,110 --> 02:27:24,150 don't think they're talking so much 3134 02:27:29,961 --> 02:27:27,120 about the alien cultures doing bad 3135 02:27:32,961 --> 02:27:29,971 things to us I think they're talking 3136 02:27:35,301 --> 02:27:32,971 about what happens to the psyche of the 3137 02:27:38,180 --> 02:27:35,311 culture that's 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02:34:01,330 --> 02:34:00,500 alright just visit Jimmy Church 3263 02:34:03,610 --> 02:34:01,340 radio.com 3264 02:34:06,460 --> 02:34:03,620 our guest tonight learned Scranton doing 3265 02:34:08,830 --> 02:34:06,470 a little overtime here because he's got 3266 02:34:13,080 --> 02:34:08,840 a new book coming out in May next year 3267 02:34:17,010 --> 02:34:13,090 on the Mallory tribe in New Zealand now 3268 02:34:19,660 --> 02:34:17,020 most most don't know about the Maori 3269 02:34:21,370 --> 02:34:19,670 let's talk about that for a second Laird 3270 02:34:22,050 --> 02:34:21,380 who were they and where did they come 3271 02:34:26,349 --> 02:34:22,060 from 3272 02:34:29,110 --> 02:34:26,359 well the Maori are Polynesian tribe they 3273 02:34:31,240 --> 02:34:29,120 have a lot in common in terms of their 3274 02:34:34,330 --> 02:34:31,250 rituals in a language and culture with 3275 02:34:36,550 --> 02:34:34,340 other Polynesian cultures around on 3276 02:34:40,179 --> 02:34:36,560 various islands they arrived are thought 3277 02:34:42,400 --> 02:34:40,189 to have arrived in New Zealand a few 3278 02:34:46,170 --> 02:34:42,410 hundred years before the Europeans who 3279 02:34:51,809 --> 02:34:48,630 at that timing is open to some question 3280 02:34:53,910 --> 02:34:51,819 I had realized early on in my studies 3281 02:34:56,490 --> 02:34:53,920 that there's a an important connection 3282 02:34:58,439 --> 02:34:56,500 between the Maori and the Dogon the 3283 02:35:00,750 --> 02:34:58,449 Dogon referred to their Adam as the pole 3284 02:35:03,479 --> 02:35:00,760 and the Maori have the exact same 3285 02:35:05,550 --> 02:35:03,489 concept of the pole and understand it 3286 02:35:07,290 --> 02:35:05,560 the same way so I had intended to write 3287 02:35:08,700 --> 02:35:07,300 a book about the Maori all the way along 3288 02:35:10,530 --> 02:35:08,710 since I wrote the first book 3289 02:35:11,820 --> 02:35:10,540 my intention was the next book was going 3290 02:35:13,559 --> 02:35:11,830 to be about the Maori and I kept getting 3291 02:35:15,929 --> 02:35:13,569 bumped and bump to bump them up by other 3292 02:35:17,939 --> 02:35:15,939 material finally got down to writing the 3293 02:35:20,550 --> 02:35:17,949 book and realized that that was a 3294 02:35:23,070 --> 02:35:20,560 fortunate thing because Maori culture 3295 02:35:25,469 --> 02:35:23,080 and language tries to every era of 3296 02:35:28,290 --> 02:35:25,479 cosmology and language that I have 3297 02:35:35,010 --> 02:35:28,300 studied from Africa Egypt India Tibet 3298 02:35:38,460 --> 02:35:35,020 China Turkey even the UK there are 3299 02:35:40,500 --> 02:35:38,470 connections to the Maori the barrier are 3300 02:35:42,240 --> 02:35:40,510 much later version of a tradition - 3301 02:35:43,950 --> 02:35:42,250 there are a lot of these symbolic 3302 02:35:46,860 --> 02:35:43,960 reversals I talked about have happened 3303 02:35:49,050 --> 02:35:46,870 that deities who you see as being female 3304 02:35:52,320 --> 02:35:49,060 in earlier cultures are male than later 3305 02:35:54,179 --> 02:35:52,330 cultures so what are you suggesting with 3306 02:35:55,590 --> 02:35:54,189 that that's a pretty bold statement so 3307 02:35:58,950 --> 02:35:55,600 let's get direct here what are you 3308 02:36:00,929 --> 02:35:58,960 suggesting well clearly that the 3309 02:36:03,000 --> 02:36:00,939 traditions are related from my 3310 02:36:06,120 --> 02:36:03,010 perspective what happened and this is 3311 02:36:10,950 --> 02:36:06,130 supported by myths in the UK and in New 3312 02:36:14,130 --> 02:36:10,960 Zealand it looks as if when the pygmy 3313 02:36:16,439 --> 02:36:14,140 culture that was associated with Orkney 3314 02:36:22,979 --> 02:36:16,449 Island was eventually forced out of 3315 02:36:25,559 --> 02:36:22,989 Ireland that members of that tradition 3316 02:36:27,570 --> 02:36:25,569 left by boat across the western sea and 3317 02:36:30,960 --> 02:36:27,580 stopped various places along the way you 3318 02:36:32,670 --> 02:36:30,970 see connections the Hopi Indians in the 3319 02:36:33,479 --> 02:36:32,680 Americas you see connections down in 3320 02:36:36,030 --> 02:36:33,489 South America 3321 02:36:38,519 --> 02:36:36,040 you see connections at Easter Island and 3322 02:36:42,360 --> 02:36:38,529 you finally see connections in New 3323 02:36:44,969 --> 02:36:42,370 Zealand the purpose of the book is to 3324 02:36:47,820 --> 02:36:44,979 tie all these connections together we 3325 02:36:49,740 --> 02:36:47,830 using we're fortunate with the Maori 3326 02:36:51,269 --> 02:36:49,750 that we know what their traditions were 3327 02:36:52,950 --> 02:36:51,279 we know what they were teaching in their 3328 02:36:56,340 --> 02:36:52,960 schools and we know what their priestly 3329 02:36:57,630 --> 02:36:56,350 tradition was we have a vibrant language 3330 02:36:59,920 --> 02:36:57,640 to compare to other things 3331 02:37:01,719 --> 02:36:59,930 vibrant said set of 3332 02:37:03,790 --> 02:37:01,729 artifacts and so forth we just don't 3333 02:37:08,050 --> 02:37:03,800 have a long history we have a history 3334 02:37:10,120 --> 02:37:08,060 that starts around 1680 and trying to 3335 02:37:11,679 --> 02:37:10,130 infer back from that what what the truth 3336 02:37:14,830 --> 02:37:11,689 might have been but it looks like we 3337 02:37:16,870 --> 02:37:14,840 have direct connections to pre Hindu 3338 02:37:19,750 --> 02:37:16,880 cultures it looks like we have direct 3339 02:37:24,280 --> 02:37:19,760 connections to the pygmy and Fairy 3340 02:37:26,380 --> 02:37:24,290 traditions in the UK a lot of really 3341 02:37:28,360 --> 02:37:26,390 really interesting stuff and new 3342 02:37:32,559 --> 02:37:28,370 perspectives on a lot of the old stuff a 3343 02:37:34,269 --> 02:37:32,569 different viewpoint in Ireland the myth 3344 02:37:36,700 --> 02:37:34,279 there were two minutes oneness said that 3345 02:37:40,120 --> 02:37:36,710 these people left in blows across the 3346 02:37:42,189 --> 02:37:40,130 western sea the other myth says that 3347 02:37:46,059 --> 02:37:42,199 they went to the underworld you go to 3348 02:37:48,580 --> 02:37:46,069 New Zealand and the cultures there say 3349 02:37:51,130 --> 02:37:48,590 they arrived by boat for cross eastern 3350 02:37:52,780 --> 02:37:51,140 sea and there's an ancient name for New 3351 02:37:55,210 --> 02:37:52,790 Zealand that means first circle of the 3352 02:37:57,280 --> 02:37:55,220 underworld right so you've got cross 3353 02:38:00,070 --> 02:37:57,290 confirmation in the even in the myths 3354 02:38:02,769 --> 02:38:00,080 about what's going on you've got a 3355 02:38:05,410 --> 02:38:02,779 priestly tradition where the firstborn 3356 02:38:08,349 --> 02:38:05,420 child of every family had an option 3357 02:38:11,050 --> 02:38:08,359 become to become a priest if you if you 3358 02:38:12,550 --> 02:38:11,060 consider that and now go back and look 3359 02:38:14,769 --> 02:38:12,560 at the ancient Egypt the slaying of the 3360 02:38:17,229 --> 02:38:14,779 firstborn takes on a different plant 3361 02:38:18,880 --> 02:38:17,239 right they may may have been trying to 3362 02:38:19,240 --> 02:38:18,890 kill the priestly class right right 3363 02:38:21,610 --> 02:38:19,250 right 3364 02:38:23,160 --> 02:38:21,620 well all these connections that even 3365 02:38:28,059 --> 02:38:23,170 connect into Christianity and later 3366 02:38:30,969 --> 02:38:28,069 religious practices did anything predate 3367 02:38:32,950 --> 02:38:30,979 the Maori in New Zealand or were they 3368 02:38:36,160 --> 02:38:32,960 would the first humans to set foot 3369 02:38:37,960 --> 02:38:36,170 that's a highly controversial subject 3370 02:38:40,689 --> 02:38:37,970 and especially in New Zealand it's 3371 02:38:43,900 --> 02:38:40,699 highly controversial right that there is 3372 02:38:45,760 --> 02:38:43,910 evidence that at very least it was a 3373 02:38:47,650 --> 02:38:45,770 pygmy culture that built the same kind 3374 02:38:51,070 --> 02:38:47,660 of mound structures that you see on 3375 02:38:53,969 --> 02:38:51,080 North Island and all over there in 3376 02:38:56,320 --> 02:38:53,979 Ireland the single most common 3377 02:38:59,139 --> 02:38:56,330 archaeological structure they find is a 3378 02:39:00,700 --> 02:38:59,149 horseshoe shaped ring of stones that's 3379 02:39:02,620 --> 02:39:00,710 right they find it everywhere but they 3380 02:39:05,050 --> 02:39:02,630 don't know what it represents he goes to 3381 02:39:07,360 --> 02:39:05,060 New Zealand and those horseshoe shaped 3382 02:39:10,389 --> 02:39:07,370 rings are the village schools where the 3383 02:39:11,860 --> 02:39:10,399 priests are being taught so you have 3384 02:39:13,559 --> 02:39:11,870 these connections back and forth to 3385 02:39:16,199 --> 02:39:13,569 Celtic culture 3386 02:39:19,439 --> 02:39:16,209 to all sorts of different interesting 3387 02:39:21,960 --> 02:39:19,449 cultures now what about the negate hijo 3388 02:39:25,409 --> 02:39:21,970 - were they there before the Maori or 3389 02:39:28,170 --> 02:39:25,419 are they one in the same there are a 3390 02:39:30,659 --> 02:39:28,180 couple of different rumoured traditions 3391 02:39:36,659 --> 02:39:30,669 in New Zealand there's a there's a group 3392 02:39:39,059 --> 02:39:36,669 of reportedly red-haired a red-haired 3393 02:39:42,569 --> 02:39:39,069 tribe that may connect to Celtic 3394 02:39:44,760 --> 02:39:42,579 cultures but the sources on these things 3395 02:39:46,319 --> 02:39:44,770 are very spotty the evidence is the sort 3396 02:39:48,719 --> 02:39:46,329 of evidence that tends to get covered up 3397 02:39:51,149 --> 02:39:48,729 or it's mislaid by the traditional 3398 02:39:53,369 --> 02:39:51,159 researchers and the official line in and 3399 02:39:55,619 --> 02:39:53,379 New Zealand is that there was nothing 3400 02:39:57,000 --> 02:39:55,629 there before the Maori yeah that was my 3401 02:40:01,019 --> 02:39:57,010 question to you what did they teach 3402 02:40:03,599 --> 02:40:01,029 there I mean what and seasonal well 3403 02:40:06,989 --> 02:40:03,609 let's address that first what do they 3404 02:40:09,420 --> 02:40:06,999 teach a New Zealand ok what do they 3405 02:40:11,279 --> 02:40:09,430 teach in modern times yes right now that 3406 02:40:13,109 --> 02:40:11,289 that traditional line in New Zealand in 3407 02:40:16,619 --> 02:40:13,119 the modern day is that the Maori with 3408 02:40:18,569 --> 02:40:16,629 first people who were there and I'm not 3409 02:40:19,889 --> 02:40:18,579 buying it you know I mean a lot of 3410 02:40:21,479 --> 02:40:19,899 people aren't because there there's 3411 02:40:23,670 --> 02:40:21,489 evidence sitting around the islands 3412 02:40:28,409 --> 02:40:23,680 that's something that clearly is not 3413 02:40:31,319 --> 02:40:28,419 Maori existed every memory now now this 3414 02:40:34,649 --> 02:40:31,329 is again I always think the opposite 3415 02:40:36,779 --> 02:40:34,659 right when I when I get a piece of 3416 02:40:40,139 --> 02:40:36,789 information this is what I do learn I 3417 02:40:42,359 --> 02:40:40,149 flip it over 180 degrees and I just look 3418 02:40:45,540 --> 02:40:42,369 at it that way so we have this west to 3419 02:40:47,760 --> 02:40:45,550 east migration that is the traditional 3420 02:40:50,040 --> 02:40:47,770 population of the Pacific island 3421 02:40:52,260 --> 02:40:50,050 populating of the Pacific Islands all 3422 02:40:55,260 --> 02:40:52,270 the way up to Easter Island right right 3423 02:40:56,369 --> 02:40:55,270 east to west right right right no west 3424 02:40:59,579 --> 02:40:56,379 to east 3425 02:41:02,639 --> 02:40:59,589 oh yes coming out of coming out of like 3426 02:41:04,439 --> 02:41:02,649 in the areas through Australia or out of 3427 02:41:06,779 --> 02:41:04,449 it Australia populating those islands 3428 02:41:10,079 --> 02:41:06,789 right yes there's a flow migration that 3429 02:41:12,300 --> 02:41:10,089 comes from the West but it also looks as 3430 02:41:14,130 --> 02:41:12,310 if we have a flow that came from the 3431 02:41:16,260 --> 02:41:14,140 East and I want that may be more than 3432 02:41:19,139 --> 02:41:16,270 one flow that's what I said that to do 3433 02:41:22,819 --> 02:41:19,149 you see I like the way you think man and 3434 02:41:25,500 --> 02:41:22,829 this is this is my problem with with the 3435 02:41:30,040 --> 02:41:25,510 traditional way of looking at this 3436 02:41:32,740 --> 02:41:30,050 canoes in the Pacific Ocean could not 3437 02:41:34,990 --> 02:41:32,750 have been laden with the provisions and 3438 02:41:37,180 --> 02:41:35,000 the manpower to survive on the open 3439 02:41:39,100 --> 02:41:37,190 ocean I don't care how how many 3440 02:41:41,140 --> 02:41:39,110 thousands of years they said that this 3441 02:41:44,560 --> 02:41:41,150 was going on to get all the way to 3442 02:41:49,150 --> 02:41:44,570 Easter Island it would have been easier 3443 02:41:50,620 --> 02:41:49,160 to go from Peru going in the opposite 3444 02:41:53,980 --> 02:41:50,630 direction even against the ocean 3445 02:41:56,080 --> 02:41:53,990 currents but it's so much closer that 3446 02:42:00,160 --> 02:41:56,090 would make more sense to me but canoes 3447 02:42:03,220 --> 02:42:00,170 canoes right I get right standing out on 3448 02:42:05,380 --> 02:42:03,230 these if you look at Easter Island and a 3449 02:42:08,320 --> 02:42:05,390 map and you see the next closest thing 3450 02:42:12,070 --> 02:42:08,330 to there and just imagine being on a 3451 02:42:14,830 --> 02:42:12,080 canoe a canoe not a ship man good move 3452 02:42:17,080 --> 02:42:14,840 but I mean we already see evidence of a 3453 02:42:19,450 --> 02:42:17,090 migration from Turkey down around North 3454 02:42:21,761 --> 02:42:19,460 Africa to orphne Island clearly that 3455 02:42:23,470 --> 02:42:21,771 trip didn't happen by canoe so whoever 3456 02:42:26,591 --> 02:42:23,480 did that to have already had technology 3457 02:42:30,070 --> 02:42:26,601 that was C ocean ocean worthy right and 3458 02:42:32,380 --> 02:42:30,080 so again going against the grain here to 3459 02:42:34,930 --> 02:42:32,390 suggest that canoes arrived in Easter 3460 02:42:38,860 --> 02:42:34,940 Island or New Zealand for that breadth 3461 02:42:42,670 --> 02:42:38,870 right no either it was some kind of 3462 02:42:45,370 --> 02:42:42,680 ocean-going vessel it but but to suggest 3463 02:42:48,490 --> 02:42:45,380 that it was canoes palm trees is so 3464 02:42:50,680 --> 02:42:48,500 great no I don't it is crazy and even 3465 02:42:53,140 --> 02:42:50,690 though the cultural memory memory maybe 3466 02:42:55,600 --> 02:42:53,150 of that that may not be what actually 3467 02:42:57,850 --> 02:42:55,610 happened that's right that's right or or 3468 02:43:01,600 --> 02:42:57,860 the and the other part is maybe these 3469 02:43:03,130 --> 02:43:01,610 islands were connected right in really 3470 02:43:05,950 --> 02:43:03,140 ancient times it's quite possible that 3471 02:43:08,860 --> 02:43:05,960 there were easier connections to be made 3472 02:43:12,210 --> 02:43:08,870 across the ocean to that yeah because of 3473 02:43:15,220 --> 02:43:12,220 you know some of the flora fauna the 3474 02:43:16,810 --> 02:43:15,230 connections not only with that and you 3475 02:43:19,450 --> 02:43:16,820 can say well it was seeds it was 3476 02:43:22,930 --> 02:43:19,460 floating in the ocean okay possibly but 3477 02:43:24,940 --> 02:43:22,940 birds and insects and other things could 3478 02:43:27,700 --> 02:43:24,950 not have made that same migration unless 3479 02:43:29,770 --> 02:43:27,710 there was a land bridge of some kind no 3480 02:43:34,179 --> 02:43:29,780 you see - swallows carried that coconut 3481 02:43:42,040 --> 02:43:37,780 Oh mad Laird you're the past man what is 3482 02:43:44,500 --> 02:43:42,050 the book come out so May 2018 is when 3483 02:43:47,650 --> 02:43:44,510 the Maori book is due out from in their 3484 02:43:50,350 --> 02:43:47,660 traditions I don't think they'll be able 3485 02:43:52,360 --> 02:43:50,360 to improve on that scheduling if not I 3486 02:43:53,560 --> 02:43:52,370 have some other material that I'm trying 3487 02:43:56,320 --> 02:43:53,570 to commit to their traditions to 3488 02:44:00,520 --> 02:43:56,330 prioritize and haven't really very 3489 02:44:02,200 --> 02:44:00,530 successful at convincing them and talk 3490 02:44:03,520 --> 02:44:02,210 about some of those primordial topics 3491 02:44:05,679 --> 02:44:03,530 that we were talking about or touching 3492 02:44:07,450 --> 02:44:05,689 on earlier so there's a possibility that 3493 02:44:09,460 --> 02:44:07,460 we'll find some other way to getting 3494 02:44:11,440 --> 02:44:09,470 that material either out in between well 3495 02:44:16,030 --> 02:44:11,450 I look forward to it and inner 3496 02:44:18,610 --> 02:44:16,040 traditions is very good with getting the 3497 02:44:20,710 --> 02:44:18,620 material to me right away so I look 3498 02:44:24,130 --> 02:44:20,720 forward to it and are you going to be 3499 02:44:27,130 --> 02:44:24,140 speaking anywhere out there anytime soon 3500 02:44:31,660 --> 02:44:27,140 yes with the the tour tour can Island 3501 02:44:34,719 --> 02:44:31,670 I'll be speaking on Friday the 15th of 3502 02:44:38,050 --> 02:44:34,729 September at the air hotel in kirkwall 3503 02:44:41,380 --> 02:44:38,060 orkney that's a free event open to the 3504 02:44:43,719 --> 02:44:41,390 public I'm supposed to speak on the same 3505 02:44:46,600 --> 02:44:43,729 venue with Erich von däniken and Andrew 3506 02:44:49,270 --> 02:44:46,610 Collins at the ar.e mysteries conference 3507 02:44:54,480 --> 02:44:49,280 in Virginia Beach the first weekend in 3508 02:44:58,000 --> 02:44:54,490 October at October 5th through 8th and 3509 02:45:00,130 --> 02:44:58,010 I'm constantly doing radio interviews 3510 02:45:03,160 --> 02:45:00,140 and podcasts and things like that 3511 02:45:05,350 --> 02:45:03,170 I'm I've long been considering trying to 3512 02:45:07,870 --> 02:45:05,360 trying to put on some kind of event in 3513 02:45:10,570 --> 02:45:07,880 the Northeast in the Hudson Valley 3514 02:45:13,270 --> 02:45:10,580 region and it's possible that will come 3515 02:45:14,860 --> 02:45:13,280 to fruition this this fall or early next 3516 02:45:16,179 --> 02:45:14,870 spring we'll see what happens yeah we 3517 02:45:16,690 --> 02:45:16,189 got to get some more stuff on the East 3518 02:45:20,200 --> 02:45:16,700 Coast 3519 02:45:22,090 --> 02:45:20,210 everybody is constantly crying you know 3520 02:45:25,320 --> 02:45:22,100 the West Coast in Europe gets all the 3521 02:45:28,570 --> 02:45:25,330 best stuff but we don't get also doing 3522 02:45:30,100 --> 02:45:28,580 some webinars that are associated with 3523 02:45:32,200 --> 02:45:30,110 the CPAC conference on the west coast 3524 02:45:34,510 --> 02:45:32,210 this year so I'll be doing it basically 3525 02:45:41,230 --> 02:45:34,520 a PowerPoint presentation for one of 3526 02:45:43,360 --> 02:45:41,240 those webinars and let's see yeah that 3527 02:45:45,940 --> 02:45:43,370 ar.e sounds really good October 5th 3528 02:45:47,340 --> 02:45:45,950 through the 8th Erich von däniken and 3529 02:45:50,370 --> 02:45:47,350 Andrew Collins it doesn't 3530 02:45:52,410 --> 02:45:50,380 any better than that also there's that 3531 02:45:54,420 --> 02:45:52,420 the new magical Egypt series I'm 3532 02:45:56,280 --> 02:45:54,430 featured a couple of sec I'm coming 3533 02:46:00,059 --> 02:45:56,290 segments of the new magical Egypt 3534 02:46:01,290 --> 02:46:00,069 segment part two I just got it I'm you 3535 02:46:03,479 --> 02:46:01,300 know what I was going to announce that 3536 02:46:05,399 --> 02:46:03,489 earlier today that I just got it I 3537 02:46:09,149 --> 02:46:05,409 haven't had a chance to watch it yet I 3538 02:46:11,849 --> 02:46:09,159 am so so so excited about this so I'll 3539 02:46:14,760 --> 02:46:11,859 give everybody an update on the first 3540 02:46:17,070 --> 02:46:14,770 couple of segments of that by tomorrow 3541 02:46:20,010 --> 02:46:17,080 show but I just that I've seen the promo 3542 02:46:21,899 --> 02:46:20,020 for the third segment and I have to say 3543 02:46:25,139 --> 02:46:21,909 that my Silhouette does some amazing 3544 02:46:26,790 --> 02:46:25,149 work it's what up dog declared strength 3545 02:46:29,760 --> 02:46:26,800 Laird's thank you so much and please 3546 02:46:31,320 --> 02:46:29,770 give my best Teresa and thank you for 3547 02:46:33,689 --> 02:46:31,330 all that you do you're their very best 3548 02:46:35,519 --> 02:46:33,699 yes thank you very much for asking me on 3549 02:46:37,349 --> 02:46:35,529 and happy to come on anything 3550 02:46:38,700 --> 02:46:37,359 you got it Laird Scranton everybody 3551 02:46:41,880 --> 02:46:38,710 thank you Larry thank you Risa 3552 02:46:45,540 --> 02:46:41,890 the very best okay now you can chase 3553 02:46:48,929 --> 02:46:45,550 layer down on Facebook very very active 3554 02:46:51,840 --> 02:46:48,939 on Facebook so you can go chase them 3555 02:46:54,780 --> 02:46:51,850 down there is website loads Francom the 3556 02:46:58,559 --> 02:46:54,790 links for that are over at jimmy church 3557 02:47:01,320 --> 02:46:58,569 radio.com with that I almost want to 3558 02:47:03,809 --> 02:47:01,330 take a break here but we're at the very 3559 02:47:07,170 --> 02:47:03,819 very end of the show so let me do this 3560 02:47:10,139 --> 02:47:07,180 let me get my head together and and I 3561 02:47:12,960 --> 02:47:10,149 need to talk about a discovery that just 3562 02:47:16,639 --> 02:47:12,970 happened over in Egypt talking about 3563 02:47:19,320 --> 02:47:16,649 everything that we discussed tonight 3564 02:47:22,920 --> 02:47:19,330 archeologists have discovered three 3565 02:47:24,750 --> 02:47:22,930 tombs that date back around 2,000 years 3566 02:47:28,679 --> 02:47:24,760 in southern Egypt they were found in the 3567 02:47:31,979 --> 02:47:28,689 burial grounds at Elk I mean just south 3568 02:47:35,219 --> 02:47:31,989 of Cairo the tombs contained are you 3569 02:47:39,090 --> 02:47:35,229 ready for this the collection of 3570 02:47:43,859 --> 02:47:39,100 different sarcophagus of course stone 3571 02:47:47,370 --> 02:47:43,869 coffins as well as clay frag whoa a 3572 02:47:50,429 --> 02:47:47,380 sneeze live on the air it's weird that 3573 02:47:53,939 --> 02:47:50,439 just came up out of nowhere somebody an 3574 02:47:57,120 --> 02:47:53,949 ancient god of ancient Egypt just hit me 3575 02:47:59,160 --> 02:47:57,130 with this so they've got this the 3576 02:48:01,050 --> 02:47:59,170 Egyptian antiquities ministry said that 3577 02:48:01,639 --> 02:48:01,060 the discovery suggests that the area was 3578 02:48:04,729 --> 02:48:01,649 a great 3579 02:48:08,420 --> 02:48:04,739 for a long span of time one of the tombs 3580 02:48:10,880 --> 02:48:08,430 which was reached through a shaft carved 3581 02:48:13,189 --> 02:48:10,890 in rock just when you think you know 3582 02:48:13,939 --> 02:48:13,199 that nothing else can be discovered out 3583 02:48:16,279 --> 02:48:13,949 there right 3584 02:48:19,279 --> 02:48:16,289 they found this so they find the shaft 3585 02:48:22,969 --> 02:48:19,289 they go through and they find this this 3586 02:48:26,689 --> 02:48:22,979 tomb it contained four sarcophagus that 3587 02:48:29,029 --> 02:48:26,699 had been sculpted to depict human faces 3588 02:48:30,590 --> 02:48:29,039 you should see these images by the way 3589 02:48:33,949 --> 02:48:30,600 in another 3590 02:48:36,590 --> 02:48:33,959 they found six burial holes all through 3591 02:48:39,559 --> 02:48:36,600 the shaft including one for the burial 3592 02:48:41,330 --> 02:48:39,569 of a small child now they have collected 3593 02:48:43,670 --> 02:48:41,340 the clay fragments there and those that 3594 02:48:47,269 --> 02:48:43,680 were found at the site date the tombs 3595 02:48:50,479 --> 02:48:47,279 right now between the 27th dynasty found 3596 02:48:53,269 --> 02:48:50,489 it at around 525 BC if you know your 3597 02:48:56,019 --> 02:48:53,279 Egyptian history like I do and of course 3598 02:48:59,389 --> 02:48:56,029 the greco-roman era which lasted between 3599 02:49:01,670 --> 02:48:59,399 332 BC and of course going all the way 3600 02:49:04,069 --> 02:49:01,680 up to the fourth century AD very 3601 02:49:07,399 --> 02:49:04,079 exciting stuff to be discovered out 3602 02:49:10,040 --> 02:49:07,409 there now I want to when we have this 3603 02:49:15,500 --> 02:49:10,050 one of the things that Laird had touched 3604 02:49:19,340 --> 02:49:15,510 upon I don't know how much is buried 3605 02:49:22,340 --> 02:49:19,350 under the sand it is one of the and the 3606 02:49:26,750 --> 02:49:22,350 reason it seems obvious but just listen 3607 02:49:30,500 --> 02:49:26,760 to me for a second when these things sat 3608 02:49:34,279 --> 02:49:30,510 there until it was rediscovered around 3609 02:49:38,859 --> 02:49:34,289 the 4th century BC it was already buried 3610 02:49:43,099 --> 02:49:38,869 under sand right and and that was then 3611 02:49:47,750 --> 02:49:43,109 all right think about this the the Great 3612 02:49:50,659 --> 02:49:47,760 Pyramid was what had sand going up its 3613 02:49:52,689 --> 02:49:50,669 side it was already semi buried out 3614 02:49:56,059 --> 02:49:52,699 there on the Giza Plateau 3615 02:49:58,399 --> 02:49:56,069 ok this wasn't some amazing site that 3616 02:50:02,059 --> 02:49:58,409 they kept clean and kept maintained no 3617 02:50:05,330 --> 02:50:02,069 in this sand in the Sahara overtook 3618 02:50:08,510 --> 02:50:05,340 everything right so what is buried under 3619 02:50:12,649 --> 02:50:08,520 the sand that we don't know I don't know 3620 02:50:15,229 --> 02:50:12,659 why collectively the nations of the 3621 02:50:15,560 --> 02:50:15,239 world are not getting together with 3622 02:50:18,110 --> 02:50:15,570 Graham 3623 02:50:21,230 --> 02:50:18,120 I'm penetrating radar and going a 3624 02:50:27,140 --> 02:50:21,240 completely square foot by square foot 3625 02:50:30,470 --> 02:50:27,150 over all of Egypt I don't understand 3626 02:50:32,270 --> 02:50:30,480 there is stuff underneath I would take 3627 02:50:34,780 --> 02:50:32,280 this is what I would do and I'm not 3628 02:50:37,131 --> 02:50:34,790 kidding think about this I would have 3629 02:50:40,100 --> 02:50:37,141 giant vacuum cleaners 3630 02:50:45,410 --> 02:50:40,110 I'm not kidding I bring it in trucks I 3631 02:50:49,310 --> 02:50:45,420 would have tubes going miles out into 3632 02:50:51,591 --> 02:50:49,320 the desert miles out and I would deposit 3633 02:50:53,751 --> 02:50:51,601 the sand there I would suck it up I 3634 02:50:56,631 --> 02:50:53,761 would start at the Giza Plateau and I 3635 02:50:58,881 --> 02:50:56,641 would suck every last grain of sand out 3636 02:51:01,580 --> 02:50:58,891 of there until I got to bedrock and dirt 3637 02:51:03,470 --> 02:51:01,590 I would suck it all out and we would 3638 02:51:06,620 --> 02:51:03,480 find things underneath the sand there 3639 02:51:09,080 --> 02:51:06,630 that would be mind-blowing and it would 3640 02:51:11,270 --> 02:51:09,090 be simple to do but nobody wants to do 3641 02:51:14,240 --> 02:51:11,280 it it's like they don't want us to 3642 02:51:15,680 --> 02:51:14,250 discover things there is stuff there 3643 02:51:18,591 --> 02:51:15,690 that they just don't want us to know 3644 02:51:20,810 --> 02:51:18,601 when we talk about what could be under 3645 02:51:23,330 --> 02:51:20,820 the Sphinx and the things that edgar 3646 02:51:24,950 --> 02:51:23,340 cayce talked about and the discoveries 3647 02:51:28,720 --> 02:51:24,960 that shock and the ground pending 3648 02:51:31,910 --> 02:51:28,730 penetrating radar just in these Fink's 3649 02:51:34,041 --> 02:51:31,920 enclosure itself there is stuff down 3650 02:51:36,261 --> 02:51:34,051 there don't want to know right Andrew 3651 02:51:39,291 --> 02:51:36,271 Collins discovered a cave system 3652 02:51:42,261 --> 02:51:39,301 underneath the Giza Plateau that goes 3653 02:51:43,970 --> 02:51:42,271 underneath the Great Pyramid just let it 3654 02:51:46,341 --> 02:51:43,980 go it wasn't supposed to exist it 3655 02:51:48,410 --> 02:51:46,351 doesn't exist I hey there's nothing 3656 02:51:53,421 --> 02:51:48,420 there and there it turns out that there 3657 02:51:57,261 --> 02:51:53,431 is not there was there is we need to go 3658 02:51:59,870 --> 02:51:57,271 and do all of this I don't know why I 3659 02:52:01,220 --> 02:51:59,880 don't I don't know why they don't want 3660 02:52:04,820 --> 02:52:01,230 us to find out the dating of the Sphinx 3661 02:52:08,810 --> 02:52:04,830 or the dating of the the Great Pyramid 3662 02:52:12,011 --> 02:52:08,820 what's going on in Giza itself I don't 3663 02:52:15,980 --> 02:52:12,021 know why I would have everything there 3664 02:52:17,421 --> 02:52:15,990 excavated you know in front of and I 3665 02:52:19,940 --> 02:52:17,431 don't know if you know this but there's 3666 02:52:22,461 --> 02:52:19,950 a couple of walls in front of the great 3667 02:52:25,610 --> 02:52:22,471 pyramids that go all the way down in the 3668 02:52:28,640 --> 02:52:25,620 Cairo those walls weren't investigated 3669 02:52:31,131 --> 02:52:28,650 they were sort of mapped out 3670 02:52:33,110 --> 02:52:31,141 a hundred and fifty years ago right when 3671 02:52:36,680 --> 02:52:33,120 they did all of the original typography 3672 02:52:40,190 --> 02:52:36,690 there then forgotten about it's only now 3673 02:52:43,461 --> 02:52:40,200 in recent times since the mid-1970s that 3674 02:52:45,621 --> 02:52:43,471 this stuff has gone back and and has 3675 02:52:47,780 --> 02:52:45,631 been excavated there are they're doing 3676 02:52:52,720 --> 02:52:47,790 digs there but they don't want it to go 3677 02:52:57,831 --> 02:52:52,730 further there is also another object 3678 02:53:07,011 --> 02:52:57,841 there and it is it's called the invent 3679 02:53:10,881 --> 02:53:07,021 inventory the inventory it's it's it's a 3680 02:53:15,650 --> 02:53:10,891 rock identical to what is in between the 3681 02:53:18,171 --> 02:53:15,660 Sphinx pause and this inventory that is 3682 02:53:20,480 --> 02:53:18,181 there it it's big they don't show it to 3683 02:53:23,091 --> 02:53:20,490 the public it is under lock and key it 3684 02:53:27,171 --> 02:53:23,101 is in a sealed up box welded shut and 3685 02:53:31,640 --> 02:53:27,181 they don't want people to to view it 3686 02:53:36,081 --> 02:53:31,650 because apparently on this it says that 3687 02:53:41,240 --> 02:53:36,091 Khufu went to the Great Pyramid to go 3688 02:53:45,671 --> 02:53:41,250 and do repairs to do repairs in Giza to 3689 02:53:49,610 --> 02:53:45,681 do repairs they're clearly saying that 3690 02:53:52,430 --> 02:53:49,620 the it existed that he was going to fix 3691 02:53:56,091 --> 02:53:52,440 it up and clean up the joint not build 3692 02:54:00,110 --> 02:53:56,101 the Great Pyramid to repair it and Khufu 3693 02:54:04,671 --> 02:54:00,120 was still alive now we need to really 3694 02:54:06,230 --> 02:54:04,681 why I don't get it so think about that 3695 02:54:08,961 --> 02:54:06,240 for a second there is stuff that is 3696 02:54:13,131 --> 02:54:08,971 being suppressed and held back from us 3697 02:54:17,631 --> 02:54:13,141 and I quite simply don't know why if the 3698 02:54:22,070 --> 02:54:17,641 reason I say that like this and and and 3699 02:54:27,910 --> 02:54:22,080 hear me hear me out we can handle it we 3700 02:54:30,410 --> 02:54:27,920 can handle the knowledge if it says that 3701 02:54:34,041 --> 02:54:30,420 historians have gotten it wrong and 3702 02:54:36,020 --> 02:54:34,051 British historians have gotten 3703 02:54:40,461 --> 02:54:36,030 everything wrong and Egyptologists have 3704 02:54:42,261 --> 02:54:40,471 gotten it wrong and the the the pyramid 3705 02:54:44,331 --> 02:54:42,271 Scrolls have gotten a wrong 3706 02:54:48,230 --> 02:54:44,341 that things are just okay we're all 3707 02:54:50,331 --> 02:54:48,240 right with that we are there is so much 3708 02:54:53,390 --> 02:54:50,341 evidence out there now that says that 3709 02:54:55,280 --> 02:54:53,400 there's another story going on that it's 3710 02:54:57,411 --> 02:54:55,290 it's been out there for long enough that 3711 02:54:59,780 --> 02:54:57,421 we just need to go and just go and and 3712 02:55:01,881 --> 02:54:59,790 and and reveal this stuff I don't 3713 02:55:07,341 --> 02:55:01,891 understand why that's why guys like 3714 02:55:11,810 --> 02:55:07,351 Laird and Bauval and and Graham Hancock 3715 02:55:14,751 --> 02:55:11,820 and Randall Carlson I can go on and 3716 02:55:16,820 --> 02:55:14,761 Laird that there information that they 3717 02:55:19,461 --> 02:55:16,830 are bringing forward clearly suggests 3718 02:55:22,461 --> 02:55:19,471 that there is another story here but 3719 02:55:25,820 --> 02:55:22,471 nobody wants to listen nobody want and 3720 02:55:28,820 --> 02:55:25,830 it is continuing to mount every day that 3721 02:55:31,190 --> 02:55:28,830 passes a Scott Crichton cratons book 3722 02:55:33,381 --> 02:55:31,200 right the Great Pyramid hoax here we 3723 02:55:35,900 --> 02:55:33,391 have an excellent book with excellent 3724 02:55:38,930 --> 02:55:35,910 research material and an evidence 3725 02:55:41,331 --> 02:55:38,940 evidence that says that we have been 3726 02:55:43,701 --> 02:55:41,341 lied to and that it's it's a hoax and it 3727 02:55:47,211 --> 02:55:43,711 wasn't Khufu period that's the end of 3728 02:55:49,701 --> 02:55:47,221 the story but nobody wants to listen you 3729 02:55:52,461 --> 02:55:49,711 would think that this kind of research 3730 02:55:53,720 --> 02:55:52,471 when you have John Anthony West and 3731 02:55:58,730 --> 02:55:53,730 Robert Schoch bring this information 3732 02:56:02,270 --> 02:55:58,740 forward very very well researched and 3733 02:56:04,520 --> 02:56:02,280 it's just obvious that it would be taken 3734 02:56:06,350 --> 02:56:04,530 serious and we can move on and enjoy the 3735 02:56:07,911 --> 02:56:06,360 fact that things are not what they seem 3736 02:56:10,871 --> 02:56:07,921 and we're figuring it out and we're okay 3737 02:56:12,831 --> 02:56:10,881 with it but no everything is suppressed 3738 02:56:15,020 --> 02:56:12,841 everything is held back 3739 02:56:17,631 --> 02:56:15,030 they you know they don't want to rewrite 3740 02:56:20,060 --> 02:56:17,641 history you know if the the day that it 3741 02:56:21,650 --> 02:56:20,070 shows up what on Wikipedia then we're 3742 02:56:24,741 --> 02:56:21,660 going to take it serious is that where 3743 02:56:27,381 --> 02:56:24,751 we act today and that's the way I feel 3744 02:56:31,280 --> 02:56:27,391 and there is another episode of fade to 3745 02:56:33,320 --> 02:56:31,290 black up and charted Thank You Laird 3746 02:56:36,560 --> 02:56:33,330 Scranton tomorrow night everybody 3747 02:56:39,621 --> 02:56:36,570 David Wilcock right here on fade to 3748 02:56:41,150 --> 02:56:39,631 black that is why we do this show what a 3749 02:56:43,850 --> 02:56:41,160 great show tonight Thank You Laird 3750 02:56:45,591 --> 02:56:43,860 amazing fade to black executive 3751 02:56:47,841 --> 02:56:45,601 producers Rita Kumari on shows produced 3752 02:56:49,690 --> 02:56:47,851 by him Jay Paul Marty Covell j-3 Rene 3753 02:56:51,921 --> 02:56:49,700 Jonas Thank You Dennis thank you Bob 3754 02:56:54,330 --> 02:56:51,931 announces our Steve Harbor gene bitola 3755 02:56:57,450 --> 02:56:54,340 mark D Kovar KT by Dale webmaster 3756 02:57:00,630 --> 02:56:57,460 drew the geek music doug aldrich intro 3757 02:57:03,420 --> 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